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Jul 26 2010

The fallout at Ferrari

Alan Henry
I would just love to know what it says in the fine print of Fernando Alonso’s contract regarding his status within the Ferrari team.

Given the amount of effort that was expended by Maranello in securing the services of the 2005/06 world champion I suspect it just about stops short of undertaking that Ferrari will provide the Spaniard with his own private toll road running parallel to every Grand Prix circuit on the calendar.



To judge by the events of Sunday’s German GP, Ferrari has already arranged Alonso the equivalent of a motorcycle outrider to escort him through the traffic.  His name is Felipe Massa.

Just like a bloke called Rubens Barrichello did for Michael Schumacher, so Felipe is very much the number two driver in the Italian squad at the present time.

And he is bright enough to work out that being number two at Ferrari is probably as good, if not better, than being a joint number one with most teams on the grid.

On a less cynical note, Massa has been a longtime stalwart within the Ferrari F1 community and the Italian team stuck loyally by him during his protracted recovery from those head injuries he sustained during qualifying for last year’s Hungarian Grand Prix.

It would have been all too easy for the Ferrari managment to have dispensed with his services, but they remained steadfast and even rewarded him by renewing his contract for another two seasons beyond the end of 2010.

Therein lies the contradiction of what took place at Hockenheim on Sunday.

F1 is a team sport, but the key component – allowing the teams to decide what order their cars finish in – is specifically prohibited by the rules.

Perhaps the moment has arrived for the FIA to have a change of heart and make intra-team strategic decisions a matter for the competitors alone. And nobody else.

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Our F1 expert has been covering the sport since Lewis Hamilton's father was a teenager (do the maths yourselves on that one), and writing for Autocar since 1994.

Comments

buzz49 July 26, 2010 10:15 AM

I was Mortified at the comment from Smedley to Massa , you could hear it in his voice basically saying get out of the way Alonso is coming through . I just gave up watching the coverage.

On the radio Alonso quoted " ridiculous " because he was behind Massa .

I am afraid that Alonso is on a route to loose following of the few fans he has left , he acts like a child if he cannot get his own way.

He moaned about Hamilton , and Hamilton got a drive through and he still beat him.

Sorry to say that I hope that Ferrari get stripped of all points they have , and the team learn from this unfair to Massa situation .

This is not doing the sport any favours at all

NAK July 26, 2010 10:15 AM

F1 is a team sport. Ferrari made the correct decision and I am sure they will  see a $100k fine as a price worth paying. The current law is flawed and came about as a knee jerk reaction to Michael overtaking Rubens at the A1 Ring all those years ago. Yes, Ferrari did break the rules and have got off lightly but the rule is flawed. Teams playing in team sports should be allowed to make decisions for the greater good of the team.

racingboots July 26, 2010 10:22 AM

I totally agree , Ferrari did the right thing , after a couple of dodgy weekends for Alonso , they've put him back in title contention , making it a 5 way title fight and that's ultimately what all us race fans want . There will always be team orders in F1 , it is after all a team sport , just don't make it so obvious when you do ask one of your drivers to let the other one through , be more imaginative!

bentleyboy July 26, 2010 10:34 AM

What seems to be the opinion is that they broke the rules too obviously!

Next time maybe they will agree before hand that Alonso will always be in front, at the end of the race...regardless of how far in front Massa is.

He obvioulsy loves the team, and will do anything for them, to repay them standing by him over the last year. But the rules are the rules, they have been there for  a while, and the $100,000 fine is not enough in this instance - they cheated, so should be stripped of the points.

And I am a lifelong Ferrari fan...before anyone accuses me of being other!

Juzoik July 26, 2010 10:38 AM

this is just reason why i hate Ferrari so much and dislike Alonso just as much. Why can't he overtake Massa on track? Would he call Redbull if Vettel was infront to let him through? if it's the team result that is most important to him Alonso why did he go such lengths when the number of points the team scored wouldn't change anyway? it had to be him coming first and not Massa. i don't see that as the team result being most important there. He just seems to think he has a right to get past any team mate the moment he appears behind them. that guy has undermined Felipe gradually.

what even annoys me the most about this whole is the cheek of the Ferrari team to come out and tell us that there was no team order and it was Felipe's decision to let Alonso pass. do they think the rest of us watching the race are idiots? i guess thats why Massa looked so ecstatic on the podium.

deppi July 26, 2010 10:52 AM

Let's be honest here... Anyone who watched the race on BBC yesterday heard what David Coulthard said: "Every team in the pitlane uses team orders and if people say they don't they are lying!"

The rule is there and Ferrari could have done this in a more discreet way like all the other teams do. They could have simply told Massa save fuel and Alonso would have passed him.

The rule is ridiculous anyway.... this is a team sport and it has always happened in F1. Maybe some people don't know or remember that drivers (Fangio) used to swap cars during the race with team mates to be able to win a race!

Massa knows very well his Championship chances are gone this year so all he MUST do is help his team mate try to win. Even Schumacher in 2000 (i think) when he broke his leg helped Irvine in Malaysia. He was 1st easily and slowed down to let Irvine past and stop Hakkinen!

deppi July 26, 2010 10:53 AM

Let's be honest here... Anyone who watched the race on BBC yesterday heard what David Coulthard said: "Every team in the pitlane uses team orders and if people say they don't they are lying!"

The rule is there and Ferrari could have done this in a more discreet way like all the other teams do. They could have simply told Massa save fuel and Alonso would have passed him.

The rule is ridiculous anyway.... this is a team sport and it has always happened in F1. Maybe some people don't know or remember that drivers (Fangio) used to swap cars during the race with team mates to be able to win a race!

Massa knows very well his Championship chances are gone this year so all he MUST do is help his team mate try to win. Even Schumacher in 2000 (i think) when he broke his leg helped Irvine in Malaysia. He was 1st easily and slowed down to let Irvine past and stop Hakkinen!

glock July 26, 2010 11:04 AM

In the aftermath, it still stinks, and maybe Ferrari, being back in contention for the Championship is a good thing for the sport, but at what cost??? A fine they will judge to be a small price to pay or a PR nightmare, due to the fact they have done this before and once again calling into question the integrity of F1, but the brand that is Ferrari.

I'm glad they have loyal fans, because as a fan of the sport, Ferrari have lost my respect and I'm sure i wont be alone.

As for Alonso, there is no question he IS a great driver, looking back to his Renault days, even then he had a babysitter in the sister car, and i believe, if he had not had a self destruct instinct he would have been a world champion with McLaren.

ShvsIrns July 26, 2010 11:09 AM

I agree, it should be up to the teams, as, historically it always was. This law is just plain stupid for a team sport.

Honestly I can never ever see the FIA reversing this rule(or the F1 owner lobbying agaisnt it), that came from a knee jerk as someone else pointed out, because, just like a modern day backflipping politician, they will always always bend over to appease the fans - ie, commercial interests will always be priority, the lure of the almighty dollar.

The sport has changed over the decades .. so too has the fan base who now whinge about "fair play", or was it "cheating" they witnessed? Race fixing? LOL. Come on, it was bloody obvious what Ferrari did, nothing secret about it. But I bet the other "fair" and "morally upright" teams (ie those who feel a need to profess their integrity... but the truth always does come out in the end of course) will try to craftily engineer their team 1-2's as the season draws to a close and which of their drivers will be going for glory. The other problem is the  modern day drama queens who throw their toys out of the cot when asked to pull rank, which feeds the hysteria of the masses, the media etc and the others with agendas ... I'm no fan of Alonso but he is a 2 time world champion, and is miles ahead of Massa in points.

amble July 26, 2010 11:09 AM

Although it does leave a bad taste in your mouth, if you accept that all the teams employ team orders at some point (which I do), the difference was yesterday that on this occasion (as in Austria in 2002) it was obvious for all to see.

Sad though it is, Alonso has really out-performed Massa this year and his form this year gives him (and Ferrari) a better chance of the title.

And if you look at what has happened in 2010 at Red Bull and the potential for it to happen at McLaren also, team orders may be the only way to keep two very fast and extremely motivated drivers under-control and maintain harmony within a team.

Perhaps in future, team orders could be carried out with a 'fuel-saving' message over the radio or a stuck wheel during a pit-stop, leaving viewers unaware.

deppi July 26, 2010 11:22 AM

"Perhaps in future, team orders could be carried out with a 'fuel-saving' message over the radio or a stuck wheel during a pit-stop, leaving viewers unaware."

Is this really what we want? To fake team orders?

Please remove the rule and let team take care of this as they want!

Juzoik July 26, 2010 11:26 AM

@amble? you really think there will be harmony in that Ferrari team after the way has undermined his team mate all year? did Felipe's body language on the podium look like a harmonious one to you? Alonso effectively took the guy out the the race 2 weeks ago at silverstone. and now this? esp on the anniversary of his life threatening accident when a win would surely have been a good way to celebrate his lucky escape then his own team shaft him like that because Alonso thinks he's faster? if he's faster why doesn't he overtake him on the track like he would any other driver?

breza July 26, 2010 11:33 AM

Team orders or not, but Ferrari yesterday made millions of fans feel like total idiots. This is Alonso's  third cheating "strike" in recent period, which is a big blow for the sport formerly known by his die-hards like Gilles and  Ayrton, who would never have problems with "fuel economy" or shifting three gears up without need...

Yeah, it's a team sport, but F1 has it's followers because of the (overpaid) individuals in the cockpits.

And you wonder why Kimi left F1 for WRC? Tell him to let Santander (ex Scuderia) Ferrari by...

Bunch of idiots... and they are suprised by empty seats on the grandstands.

Wonder why...

Pistachio July 26, 2010 12:06 PM

Alonso is doing it again just like at McLaren. It isn't going his way and the sponsor is probably getting fed up that their man is not winning and getting frustrated that their last team (oh who was that ..thats right it was Mclaren) is leading the championship.

I think it they should race not moan that he cannot overtake Massa.

His last move on Massa before he was helped by was really bad driving as he did not plan it  but expected Massa to give way.

Race for G*ds sake Race like there is no tomorrow don't whinge and moan to the bosses.

It was so obvious on the podium and after at the interview that it was a shallow victory. Alonslow showed it in his body language.

I think Massa is the victor as he showed great guts in saying a lot without saying a word.

Shame on you Ferrari, shame on you

amble July 26, 2010 12:42 PM

deppi - my point being that even with the rule, there are less obvious ways a team could implement team orders without making it so obvious to viewers (or the FIA).  Ultimately, unless you make it blindingly obvious (as Ferrari did yesterday) this rule isn't enforcable as teams can use 'racing incidents' to bring in team orders.  I agree get rid of the rule.

Juzoik - no there probably won't, don't want to sound racist but I wondered how sensible it was a latin team signing two latin drivers.  My point being that (whether Massa and Alonso can get on or not) we've got some really exciting driver line ups this season - SV/MW, JB/LH, FA/FM, like it or not team orders are a way to keep these highly-driven individuals in check when it comes to fighting for a championship.

When you consider that Ferrari has an awful lot of people working all hours to put their cars at the front end of the grid and all the sponsorship/revenue that rides on winning world-championships - putting a drivers nose out of joint a couple of times a year (when the driver concerned is behind in the championship, haven't really been up to pace this year and have just been given a 2 year deal) is probably the least of their problems.

Sad but true.

Lanehogger July 26, 2010 12:48 PM

As with all the other teams Ferrari should just be primarily concerned about the constructor's championship.

This decision clearly shows that Alonso has a contract that states he is the number one driver otherwise there was no reason to pull Massa back as Ferrari appeared to be on for a 1-2 anyway with maximum points towards the constructors championship, while Alonso is to far behind in the driver's standings to take the title. So no other reason except that Massa is the number 2 driver.

Lanehogger July 26, 2010 12:50 PM

As with all the other teams Ferrari should just be primarily concerned about the constructor's championship.

This decision clearly shows that Alonso has a contract that states he is the number one driver otherwise there was no reason to pull Massa back as Ferrari appeared to be on for a 1-2 anyway with maximum points towards the constructors championship, while Alonso is to far behind in the driver's standings to take the title. So no other reason except that Massa is the number 2 driver.

deppi July 26, 2010 1:03 PM

Lanehogger, I think you are completely wrong on Ferrari primarly being concerned with constructor's championship. Nobody remembers what constructor won what championship unless the driver of the same team won it as well....

Alonso is really far behind in the championship but if the team believes he still has a chance to win it they should and will do anything they can to help him win it (or try at least)

Cardinal Fang July 26, 2010 1:05 PM

Some people seem to be getting the manufacturers and drivers titles mixed up.

The drivers title should be just that - down to the performance of the driver. If one driver is faster then he should be allowed to win, not be forced to give way to his team-mate because they happen to be higher up the standings. If team orders are allowed then you may as well forget the current system and only award points to the first driver that finishes from each team.

The manufacturers title is where the team come into play, and in this case there is nothing to gain by imposing team orders. Had Massa and Alonso finished the other way around, the manufacturers points would have been the same.

Cardinal Fang July 26, 2010 1:10 PM

...or, failing that, they should make it so that the radio in the car is one way only - from the driver to the pit and there should be no communication the other way apart from the pit board. They should also force the teams to fuel the car properly, so none of this "you need to save fuel" stuff.

brinardi July 26, 2010 1:45 PM

What happened in Austria 2002 was rightly pilloried and I don't see how this is that much different.

It is one thing for a driver to help his team mate out at the end of the season by his own choosing but quite another for a team to (allegedly) instruct a driver to give away a victory less than halfway through a season.

If you accept every team has a number 1 and a number 2 driver and team orders apply then effectively only 50% of the field is genuinely fighting for the win and the championship.

If the positions had been reversed I just couldn't imagine Alonso doing the same for Massa...

dutchmaestro July 26, 2010 1:58 PM

Why all the moaning?

This is sensationally exciting - a 3-way race to the line between Santander, Red Bull and Vodafone.

My money's on the bank.

Nappeunnom July 26, 2010 2:02 PM

Saw this on BBC Sport yesterday:

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499. At 10:45pm on 25 Jul 2010, Fabbyulous wrote:

@ Andrew, I always thought Hamilton finished 7th in Brazil 3 years ago ;).

And team orders happen all the time, it's only that this is Alonso that the story gets so much attention over here, because of that turbulent season Alonso and Hamilton both suffered in 2007.

Japan 2003 and this same race exactly 2 years ago are examples where McLaren have gotten away with teams orders in the past.

Fisichella let Alonso through at Melbourne *I think* in 2006 at Renault that was, there are other instances I'm sure further down the grid with the minor teams allowing each other through with a speed advantage.

This is just a stupid overplayed media topic again, Ferrari shouldn't be fined although despite that I doubt they're too concerned with the consequences they were given.

Now let's put the matter to bed shall we :)

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Pretty much hits the nail on the head; because Alonso has replaced Schumacher as the 'Big Bad wolf' in the British media, this story/non-story been blown out of all proportion.

Elvisisntdead July 26, 2010 2:06 PM

The Sport of F1 was again ruined , because Ferrari pampered to the whim of Alonso. So Massa was slower, so normally the person behind over takes, just ask Button, Lewis, Webber, etc.  I used to like Alonso but now he is an ass, that was a hollow win.

Look at Moto GP, tell Rossi & Lorenzo to slow down. Why bother having two cars at the top, when one will move over. Why accept a Number 1 & 2,  why not race and the fastest wins, simple.  This year F1 has been reborn with red bulls in the mix. Maybe Ferrari want Massa as a pace maker, like the LE Tour, so if so , come clean and down get your Engineer to say coded messages.

As soon as he overtook, it was time to switch the TV over and watch BSB.

Coot July 26, 2010 2:21 PM

Has everyone forgotten only a few races ago McLaren forcing Button back behind Hamilton after he passed because they were "managing the result"? i'm surprised nobody brought it up during the BBC coverage.

In both cases the drivers were prohibited from challenging one another. In both cases team orders were being followed in order to manipulate the result of the race.

How come Mclaren got away without a fine?

Both incidents were equally blatant and both teams have equally questionable histories with the authorities - Mclaren probably more so.

It's also worth pointing out that Hamilton adopted a similarly petulant response to getting held up by his teammate!

ShvsIrns July 26, 2010 2:24 PM

All this moaning about Alonso is unbelievable. He's a TWO time world champion. He is unquestionably the No. 1 in the team. The fact that Massa has made NO impression against him - when he's had a chance this year starting from a clean slate - confirms Alonso's status in the team. No ifs or buts.

You cant compare the Ferrari situation to McLaren's, as both their drivers are WCs obviously, or even Red Bull, two nobodies still in the process of asserting themselves over each other. But you wait till the back end of the season, both these teams WILL get busted "ruining" the sport oh puhleez get over it guys. If you dont like just go watch some girly sport!

Juzoik July 26, 2010 3:11 PM

@ShvsIrns

you mean the same Alonso who has used underhand tactics against every team mate he's had so far? if he 2x WDC and was so much faster that it was ridiculous for Massa to be infront, why not pass him on the track? after they're racing drivers. no? and yes its being blown out of hand because its Alonso and yes because he whines and moans everytime things don't go his way. the same way he did at Renault and tried to do at McLaren and didn't get it so he left and now at Ferrari. looks like he's finally found a team who would bend over backwards for him.

we are not stupid enough to understand why Ferrari did it but at least just come out and tell us that we did what was best for both championships rather than try and tell us this whole lie and take us for mugs about it being Massa's decision. did Massa need to be told that Alonso was in his rear view mirror and closing in on him fast?

Pistachio July 26, 2010 3:22 PM

I say again, even if it is your team mate you have to drive pass him to challenge him for the lead. It is called motor racing where the most skilled and fastest driver wins.

The rules are the rules and this is nothing to do with Ferrari racism it was quite blatant team orders during a race which is banned.

Alonso needs to practice a bit more his overtaking and stop whingeing.

At McLaren all he did when he was not winning was whinge and at Renault to

If the number one driver is to win every race then we should have a championship for number one drivers and a championship for number two drivers.

It is wrong, wrong, wrong, end of chat where are their morals which incidentally the drivers are also role models for kids so condoning lieing is morally wrong.

RACE till the finish best man wins.

Overdrive July 26, 2010 3:49 PM

"Juzoik July 26, 2010 3:11 PM

@ShvsIrns

you mean the same Alonso who has used underhand tactics against every team mate he's had so far? if he 2x WDC and was so much faster that it was ridiculous for Massa to be infront, why not pass him on the track? after they're racing drivers. no? and yes its being blown out of hand because its Alonso and yes because he whines...."

I'm no defender of Alonso or what happened in the race yesterday, but some of your points aren't entirely impartial or accurate.

First, Alonso used as much underhand tactics as it was done to him by McLaren in particular it became clear that the team were favouring Hamilton over, and I remind you of Ron Dennis's slip of the tongue after one of the races in 2007, when he stated "we were racing Alonso", when Alonso was supposed to be one of Dennis's drivers.

Second, Alonso has been quicker than Massa nearly all season up to now. That is why he is so far ahead in points (yesterday's race not withstanding). Alonso has been held up by Massa several times already this year, to his cost already. And he was once again being held up by Massa in yesterday's. If you were watching, earlier in the race Alonso tired to pass Massa on more than one occasion where he was again blocked, although it was a legitimate move by Massa. But the point is Alonso WAS faster.

Third, there was no whining by Alonso that I detected. This was a team decision by Ferrari. If you heard Alonso moaning during the race yesterday, do point out where.

I'm not saying this because I agree with what happened yesterday, because I don't. And Alonso's has certainly has had his share of blame in some of his troubles in the past. But this anti-Alonso hatred campaign by the British media, who always love to build up a figures of hate so that they can whip up their vitriol at them, is getting just a little tiresome.

Fact is most other teams employ "team orders", only they do it more subtly. As an example take McLaren, who have got on their high horse today about not behaving like Ferrari. In the Turkish GP in an official race edit of the Grand Prix, broadcast on formula1.com, Hamilton can be heard asking his team: "If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?" McLaren's answer was: "No, Lewis. No."

Another case in point was in the GP of France in 2008, where Heikki Kovalainen braked half a mile before the hairpin to let Lewis Hamilton through.

Don't know about you, but they smell like team orders to me.

Pistachio July 26, 2010 4:03 PM

Hi Overdrive

Alonso whinged after he tried but failed to overtake Massa because he tried on the wrong side and got blocked by a back marker and said "theees is reediculooous" What is ridiculous is that he is paid a lot of money to race and overtaking is part of what he his paid to do.

He did receive equal billing at McLaren until he started playing up then he got what he deserved. At McLaren they don't faun over you, you are part of a team that belongs to Ron.

As for Hamilton asking if Jenson would pass him he was in the lead and wanted to know whether to back off if possible, that is not team orders that is a request from a driver for info whether or not to keep the boot in or not.

Overdrive July 26, 2010 4:31 PM

Pistchio, drivers say all kinds of things during a race. but did you acutally hear Alonso complaining to the team that Massa should let him pass? It was the Team the made the decision and clearly later in the press conference both Alonso and Massa knew this, but evaded the question.

McLaren don't faun over you? They've been fauning over Hamilton and groomed him since he was a child. It was abundantly clear he was no1 over Kovalainen as he was over Alonso, when Alonso fell out with the team, which yourself have pointed out. Heck, Hamilton even told Dennis to "go swivel", when they had a disagreement that year and Dennis just looked the other way

Hamilton was asking the team if Button was going to pass him and he was told no! If Button is supposed to be racing Hamilton, why would he not try to pass him and allow Lewis to take it easy and, as you say, not to keep the boot in?

dobbie100 July 26, 2010 4:36 PM

while I understand why what and why they did. I totaly dont agree with it.

However an X$$$$$ fine will not stop anything like this happening again.

Solution.

Change the rules so that Radio coms is a privilege not a given right. Then infringments like this can be handed a radio silence penalty for the next 3 races (or more as it has to be tough!) for BOTH cars. That way te only way the team have to talk to the driver would be thru the pit board. and in this time when its critical to pit to swap tyres at the best momnet that would be a heavy penalty.

What it has done though is take any sympathy away from Alonso that I may have had (it wasn't much anyway) for how the cards fell with his penalty he had after the SC had come in.

david RS July 26, 2010 7:24 PM

On the radio Alonso quoted " ridiculous " because he was behind Massa.

What words! He should overtake on the track!

And after the race he asked if Massa had missed a gear.

It’s appalling. The words of the Ferrari members were also ridiculous.

No character either from the pilots...

At each GP, Alonso moans in its radio. He asks to disqualify the others.... But he overtakes  Kubica  in the grass.  He cries to overtake his small Felipe.  Is-it a behaviour ? He is a great pilot. That is not the question. But the way?! He acts like a spoilt child. Let him gambol one or two GP at his home. It’s not sport that. It is not only the fault of his team.

Do we come back in the Ferrari 1 Championship? Is-it the come back of the long pit stops for the small pilot?

If he wants several crowns, it is a way.

A team decision can be legitimate. But, tomorrow, we are too far of the end of the championship.

In a general point of view, the teams communications are also ridiculous with their demands of fuel economies during the races.

Revolutionize of the rules !

Ban the radio

Ban the telemetry

Ban the pit stops

Ban the spin doctors

You know, the cars can run without that...

The FIA :  don’t listen too much the teams...

Overdrive July 26, 2010 9:08 PM

Yeah, let's string up Alonso because we don't like what he says on his radio. He used the word "ridiculous", the ba$tard. How dare he?

He complains when he feels he's been wronged. How dare he? Who told the little twerp he has the right to complain? No other driver has complained in the history of F1, ever. It's never happened before. It's only Alonso. Let's boot him out altogether.....

Honestly, do some of you guys actually consider the stuff you write? Talk about clutching at straws. Ok, so you hate the guy, but at least be a little objective in your criticism. Ferrari deserves to be punished for very obviously breaking a rule (never mind that other teams break this rule on a regular basis too, only more subtly as I pointed out earlier), so it’s the team should be criticised and rightly so.

There's nothing in what Alonso said in this race, borne out of frustration, in the heat of battle when he is trying to get himself back in to the championship, especially when in the previous 2/3 races (rightly or wrongly) the stewards decisions arguably cost him a lot of points, that should be considered as objectionable. By picking up on a word here or word there, you are simply engaging in personal attacks, simply because you don't like the guy.

disco.stu July 26, 2010 9:54 PM

I am very pleased to say that i completely agree with Alan Henry on his last five paragraphs.  The 'no team orders' rule is rubbish.

Team orders have been used as long as multiple cars have been entered by the same team.  At least Ferrari have made minimal efforts to disguise it over the years, unlike other - usually more silvery/chromey - teams.

Do you really want more coded messages about saving fuel and conserving tyres, or other BS to disguise the truth of the situation?

The only way you will ever get around this is to have single-car teams.  And that's not going to happen.  So get over it.

milleman July 27, 2010 8:57 AM

Am i the only one who can see that in F1 you still cannot overtake in similar cars?

Best race Canada because of tyre issues,Valencia follow the leader.

At least it has taken the Heat off Red Bull.

Ferrari should have done it a different way then we would have been none the wiser.

The number one on the car is the most important and the first garage in the pit lane,everyone knows that Alonso's Mclaren car was not the same as Hamiltons for the last few races of the season,Dennis didnt want him to leave with the no 1 on the car.

Latebreaker July 27, 2010 11:25 AM

I honestly dont see a problem with it. The fact that is written in the rule book is what undid Ferrari.

It also seems like the stewards only took note after the race when there was public outcry.....why didnt they post a message during the race stating an investigation would take place after the race?

The rule is silly in the sense it doesnt seem to state what penailties there will be 'team orders'

Anyway if it happend for 10th and 11th place would anyone give a hoot?

Massa moved over to let Kimi through in 07' in Brazil for him to win the title..no one said anything then.

yeloperil July 27, 2010 3:00 PM

The word 'Sport' has regularly featured in this post. Fans need to realise F1 is a business and unfortunately definitely no longer a sport. Those of us in the business recognised this fact long ago.

Peter Cavellini July 27, 2010 3:06 PM

How would both of them feel you mean?, if i was Massa i'd walk now, buy myself out of the contract, as for Alonso, i can't believe he doesn't have some remorse about this, because he's only a contracted driver doing what he's told, i'm sure there have been times he's not agreed with tactics, he must feel some guilt, if he doesn't then he's not human, i don't know if he's Catholic , but i'd have thought it a sin too win this unfairly,if i'd been Massa going passed the pit wall, i'd have shown them two fingers, won the race,and faced the music, afterall what could they have done too him?, sacked him?, i wouldn't have cared if they did, nor would he, he'd be glad to be out of the team.

Do It July 28, 2010 5:36 AM

Who gives a toss? This isn't sport, what will it take for people to understand this?

It's no different to WWF Wrestling and the like.

The 'scandal' here is the confidence trick that the FIA has pulled off pulling the wool over peoples eyes, the team owners are in on it too.

Peter Cavellini July 28, 2010 6:04 PM

Well Fenando, guess what?, what, well remember you said you wanted to finish your FI career at Ferrari?,yes, what about it?,well, there's only 8 races to go!  

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