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Nov 04 2009

VW Scirocco: coupe or hot hatch?

John McIlroy
By now you’ll hopefully have read our first drive on VW’s new Scirocco R, and watched it dealing an unexpected defeat to the previously untouchable Ford Focus RS.

Truth is, though, the Scirocco has also split the Autocar office – on the subject of whether it’s a coupe or a hatchback.



One band of staffers points out that the Scirocco has to be a coupe, purely because Volkswagen already has the three-door Golf GTI. “VW itself says that the Scirocco is a coupe,” they say. “And what would be the sense in having two three-door hot hatchbacks in your model range?”

There is a counter-argument, though, from people who’ve experienced the Scirocco (in general, not even the R). They argue that while it is lower than a Golf, it’s still a hatchback.

Perhaps this is a tribute to the extent to which VW has managed to preserve the Scirocco’s practicality – it would be a very easy car to live with, and that goes for even the ‘hardcore’ R – but the ‘hot hatch brigade’ say that as an everyday proposition, it’s little different from a Golf.

Me? I reckon both camps make valid points. But having been lucky enough to sample the R first-hand, I think the argument will soon subside when more staffers get to try it.

Whether or not its a coupe or a hot hatch becomes less relevant when you realise how good it is; the very best cars refuse to be pigeonholed.

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About John McIlroy

Used to report on the WRC for Autosport magazine; jumped to Autocar in '05. Career high? Driving McRae's Ford Focus WRC. Career low? Crashing McRae's Ford Focus WRC.

Comments

Paul J November 4, 2009 3:14 PM

Coupes tend to be slightly less practical but more stylish that their hatchback relatives.  This fulfils the less practical requirement, but falls well short of being stylish, having a bum like the cook in old Tom and Jerry cartoons.

Christian Galea November 4, 2009 3:27 PM

Well, first you need to decide what a coupe is...originally, it come from the French word meaning 'cut', in the sense that you took a normal 4 door saloon and 'cut' it so that it had 2 doors and looked slightly sportier. Of course, that has changed these days.

However, I still don't think the Scirocco is a coupe. If it is, then the Volvo C30 and Mk1 Fiat Bravo are also coupes...and I never heard anyone referring to them as such...I think that the Scirocco is more of a hot-hatchback.

As to the point why there's the Scirocco and a 3-door Golf...well, the Scirocco is undoubtedly more stylish and looks 'sharper' than the 3-door Golf, while you can get to be more individual and cooler too (there are loads less Sciroccos than Golfs).

sandys November 4, 2009 3:43 PM

It doesn't even have frameless windows on its doors, what sort of sports coupe doesn't have those.

sandys November 4, 2009 4:33 PM

Oops it would appear it does, don't know why I thought it didn't probably mixing it up with the megane.

Quattro369 November 4, 2009 5:26 PM

Its a Hatchback.

Just lke the 3dr Astra Sport 'Coupe' is.

Whilst its more stylish than the Golf, I dont think VW done enough to be able to truly call it a coupe.

I associate a coupe with a very angled rear screen. The Scirocco is too upright at the rear and therfore it is  hatchback.

TegTypeR November 4, 2009 5:26 PM

My definition of a coupe comes down to desirability.  If you apply this to the Scirroco then as a product it is clearly more desirable than its Golf sibling.

This principle also explains why Citroen's Xsara was never coupe.

Mind you, still doesn't explain the Ford Cougar!

Andrew Lee November 4, 2009 5:40 PM

Definitely a hot hatch. And (at best) a gawky-looking one - a sort of squashed Golf. Of course, if VW added £5k to the price, people's perceptions might change! Still can't understand its price in relation to the Golf GTI.

fuzzybear November 4, 2009 5:51 PM

To me its direct competitor is the new Megane coupe, in terms of looks, dimensions and price.It would be interesting to see how both compare to each other in their top performance guise

230SL November 4, 2009 6:07 PM

When are they going to bring out a four door?

Panoramix November 4, 2009 6:59 PM

3 doors - hatchback, 2 doors - coupe.

Everything else is company's marketing, like BMW X6 - Sport Activity Vehicle - it's nonsense, it's simply a crossover. The only way Scirocco would be a coupe is if it was based on a Jetta/Bora, but it isn't.

theop November 4, 2009 8:31 PM

can it not be a coupe "hatchback"? If I d have to pick one of the two, I d think its a hatchback....

What's an Audi TT?

Adrian987 November 4, 2009 9:05 PM

I'm sure that before the days of hatchbacks, people faced a similar dilemma with what was or was not a "sports car".

Coupe sounds misleading, and hot-hatchback for me means a hot version of a small/medium hatchback that otherwise has a more everyday and practical image.

Clearly, a new term just has to be invented for this type of vehicle.

Flash Harry November 4, 2009 10:42 PM

Its a hatchback,just like the BMW 5 GT,Audi 5 Sportback.give us some credit for knowing the difference!!!!!!!

MartyB59 November 4, 2009 11:44 PM

Interesting - a few different opinions - Christian Galea - Volvo themselves call the C30 a coupe - that's why it has a C prefix. But - it's all down to opinion really. For me, the C30 doesn't have a model that it's based on of which it is a coupe version - the Scirocco really is a Golf Coupe - being slightly less practical and slightly more stylish.

fuzzybear November 5, 2009 2:16 AM

Maybe it should be called a Sports Hatch -They're not really coupes or conventional hatches, but i guess words get tagged with new meanings all the time and maybe coupe will just come to embody anything with more of a sporty look to it

MartyB59 November 5, 2009 9:13 AM

So what is a coupe then? Before hatchbacks were the norm it was easier. As Christian Galea says - you took a 4 door saloon - made it a more stylish (less practical) 'coupe'. So does a true coupe have to be based on a saloon and have a separate boot? Now hatchbacks are far more common than saloons - but the Golf is the equivalent 'saloon' and the Scirocco the 'coupe' version is it not? Personally I'm a fan of the coupe with a boot and always liked the look of the Opel Manta / Peugeot 405 / 406 / Mercedes (various) - I do think that the 3 series coupes are a bit too close to the saloons to be much better looking.

AndyRAC November 5, 2009 9:14 AM

My interpretation of a Coupe is a 2 door RWD car, but of course RWD is a dirty word for most Manufacturers.

fungke November 5, 2009 9:51 AM

From my point of view a coupe has always been a two door saloon car. Anything with a hatch is simply a 2 or 4 door hatch back.

A hot hatch, defined by the Golf GTI, was and is a 3 door hatch. So by definition the Scirocco is a hot hatch.

Also, I think this is also the view of the DVLA and insurance companies.

Seems to be another case of marketeers trying to redefine something that most people understood perfectly well for years.

Cars like the Passat CC and the Mercedes CLS are just ugly banana shaped saloon cars trying to be something their not.

I like Fuzzybear's definition, a sports hatch. That makes perfect sense to me. Both the Megane and the TT can be thrown in that category too.

Regards,

Andy.

ryaner November 5, 2009 11:33 AM

To all those saying it has 3 doors, its a hatch, then what about the alfa brera, surely one of  the best looking coupes on sale today. Can that really be called a hatch.

Even the porsche cayman has a hatch like rear boot, but it is absolutley certainly a coupe.

I'd take more issue with the four door coupe concept, e.g. mercedes cls, surely its just a good looking saloon.

P.s. I love all of the above mentioned cars, and the sciroco's styling.

TheOmegaMan November 5, 2009 11:35 AM

Why did they style the Scirroco like that anyway? Did they not look at the old models that carried that name??? Did they forget how people liked the looks of the Corrado???

ordinary bloke November 5, 2009 5:01 PM

Does it matter? Both the Golf GTi and the Scirroco are great cars. As a single man with no kids and seldom having more than one passenger, I'd pick a Scirroco; however if I needed to regularly carry two or more passengers or luggage/cargo, I'd pick a Gti 5-door. I'm just pleased that VW do both.

leg30r November 5, 2009 11:31 PM

"Even the porsche cayman has a hatch like rear boot, but it is absolutley certainly a coupe."

Time to introduce a scientific definition? If the hatch slopes at less than 60 degrees, it's a coupe. Any more, it's a hatchback.

Scirocco is quite clearly a hatch.

ryaner November 6, 2009 11:05 AM

leg30r - "Time to introduce a scientific definition? If the hatch slopes at less than 60 degrees, it's a coupe. Any more, it's a hatchback."

Then what about the alfa romeo brera?

leg30r November 6, 2009 9:55 PM

"Then what about the alfa romeo brera?"

Haven't got a protractor handy, so this is a close one. I'll say hatch. Alfa calls it a coupe (but they'd probably also tell you it's reliable and has high residuals).

mags8733 November 7, 2009 7:08 PM

Come on Autocar....you are the authority....create some definitions....start with the easy ones   saloon   then family saloon  moving on to large family saloon or should that be a large car for a family or a large car for a large family (must not miss out a category)   Then as subcategories you may have petrol, electric hybrid, diesel biofuel   on second thoughts does it matter both cars are good fun!!!!

Arslan November 10, 2009 11:19 AM

Its a great hot hatch!

inthebin November 17, 2009 6:01 AM

No. It's a coupe, but not as we know it.

Pol Medhi November 19, 2009 4:24 AM

It is a coupe cum hatch.

Panoramix November 20, 2009 5:56 PM

WikiPedia says this:

Coupés are often hardtopped sports cars or sporty variants of sedan (saloon) body styles, with doors commonly reduced from 4 to 2, and a close-coupled interior (i.e., the rear seat placed further forward than in a standard sedan) offering either two seats or 2+2 seating (space for two passengers in the front and two occasional passengers or children in the rear).

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