Fri
Nov 06 2009

Sticky situation for used cars

James Ruppert
Joy of joy - as of this week participating used car dealers can now put a sticker on their stock.

Apparently the label provides consumers with clear ‘at a glance' information on the running costs, fuel consumption and environmental performance of used cars.



The initiative builds on the success of the new car fuel economy label, which is now widely recognised by consumers (but only when they buy a fridge).

For those of us who like, or know a bit about cars and the real world out there we will treat all the C02 rubbish with the contempt it deserves. We will also snigger slightly at the wildly over optimistic fuel consumption figures.

We will also know that what comes out of a used car is dependent on just how well it has been looked after.

I don’t know quite know what the point is of estimating the fuel costs over 12,000 miles are going to be. Presumably it is there to frighten some, but as I have pointed out recently I gained quite a lot of comfort from the fact that just £1,087 to run an Elise for a year seems like fantastic value.

Also if I was to choose the band G Lamborghini Diablo it would cost me £4315, but then many owners may only cover one twelfth of that projected mileage.

So stickers to help us make informed choices, but only if we are considering post 2001 vehicles.

Minister for transport Sadiq Khan MP said at the launch: "Running costs and environmental performance are increasingly important to new and used car buyers. I am therefore delighted that the new car label is now joined by a similar used car label.

"This will give people the information they need to make the right purchase for themselves and the smart purchase for the environment. I hope as many dealers as possible will participate and I encourage used car buyers to look out for the label when they consider what to buy."

Stuff the stickers I say.

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

Comments

TegTypeR November 6, 2009 3:50 PM

I really can't see the average punter looking for a used car really giving a toss about the sticker and what it says.  

Come to think of it, how many people look at that on a washing machine or a tumble dryer?  Not many, because most products people buy because they like the look - or that Bosch unit has a twenty zillion RPM spin on it......  oh yes and it's band C rated....  oh well.

Cars are still a heart over head buy a lot of the time and this will still be the case, rating sticker or not!

richardhead November 6, 2009 3:55 PM

mate, this CO2 for bangers mullarkey is a) more cowing and control of the bovine inhabitants of what passes more for 'Gulag Archipelago UK' everyday and b) more £100k+jobs for the quangocrats with the right connections with the ruling regime.

Think this overstated? This is the first step to making illegal older cars, forcing everyone into crippling debt repayments on crap tin boxes, therefore trapping them to the bankers ponzi credit scam and reinforcing the sh1ite over global warming. The more they push this known bollox without any reaction the more they laugh in our gullible faces. So yes, 'Stuff the stickers' and the ******* behind them.

Notiron November 6, 2009 4:44 PM

Hey James...reckon we could have an article on used car prices some time soon? It'd be great to know whether they're expensive at the moment during the recession.

gazza5 November 6, 2009 4:47 PM

Are you really not going to buy a car because one is £1000 to fill up for 12,000 mils and the other is £1500 to fill up for 12,000 miles. Yet the £1500 fill up one is a sexy sleek lotus - and the other one is a hyundai i20? Are you really going to stand there and say I take the hyundai as its going to save me £500!

When are they going to leave us alone!!!!!!

DavidMR November 6, 2009 4:51 PM

couldn't agree more james.   sadly, it think quite a few people will be bamboozled into taking this scam seriously, not because they are "bovine inhabitants" as mr head suggests, but because nobody knows everything.  all of us rely on so-called experts to make an informed choice about something.   this idiot plan is unbelievable.

Leslie Brook November 6, 2009 5:07 PM

How about stickers for drivers? Our Octavia returns 45 to 50 MPG driven by me and 30 to 35 when in my wife's hands. No, she isn't a speed freak, she just forgets things such as the top 2 gears at motorway speeds and doesn't anticipate hazards so instead of lifting off in good time we drive under power into a red light or roundabout and then stand hard on the brakes.

Pilau November 6, 2009 6:38 PM

James Ruppert, your blog just shows how little you really know about real world fuel consumption & CO2 emissions.   Stick to trying to persuade us that Ford makes good cars.

ThwartedEfforts November 6, 2009 6:51 PM

Who buys a second hand car these days without Googling the thing at least once? You can find much more information on the web than you can crammed onto some stupid sticker.

In addition, if you're buying a car that was registered before March 2001, who gives a tuppence about CO2 since it has absolutely no bearing on the car's running cost?

Pilau: unless you're going to explain where the figures are wrong nobody's going to listen. Sheesh.

Old Toad November 7, 2009 5:31 AM

How about a sticker for politicians then Green equals I didnt fiddle my expenses (would be as rare as rockinghorseshit) and red I did and am a totally arrogant tosser that never listens to the public and tax drivers to death to may for my moat cleaning etc .

HyundaiSmoke November 7, 2009 7:44 AM

Used cars have been way overpriced for the last 10 years.

$7500 for a 10 year old used Honda Civic with 210,000 Miles.  Are they Fu-king serious?

The Prices on Used cars have been falling off a cliff.  If you want something good, but its used since they dont make it anymore, if you have the money; Now is the time to buy.

Notiron November 7, 2009 9:20 AM

I don't think that's the case actually. The last time I checked we don't buy our used cars in dollars either.

I think that there is a dearth of used cars because no one bought new cars earlier in the year. Now is actually NOT a good time to buy, I suspect.

James?

noluddite November 7, 2009 7:01 PM

Fuel is such a small proportion of running costs that it's ridiculous to focus on it.

HyundaiSmoke November 8, 2009 8:00 AM

Now is a good time to buy.  That's if you have the money.

fuzzybear November 9, 2009 12:44 AM

yes sounds good OldToad. Cant see them down the petrol station filling up the Ministerial limo anyways.Im surprised they dont hav a House of Commons visa card with extra club points when they go esso

SDR November 9, 2009 11:25 AM

Don't agree with most of the above, or the original artical - sorry James.  Smacks of rather childish pub talk to me.  

The fact is that to many/most people, a car is just an appliance exactly like a fridge.  To my mother and my girlfriend it is a means of getting from A to B - they have no interest in how it works, how technologically advanced or otherwise it might be, or indeed how it drives as long as it's a reasonably pleasant and painless experience, and is in a nice colour.  And what's wrong with that?  Just because they don't think like you (or me) does not make them feeble-minded or less of a person - in fact it is easily arguable that their priorities are a whole lot more rational than yours (or mine).

Providing people with information that helps them make better choices cannot be a bad thing.  Most people would rather spend less on fuel and tax, and most are not so totally closed-minded as to utterly dismiss the view of very many distinguished scientists on the subject of CO2 either.  It's amazing how many of you guys are clearly such a loss to Oxford and Cambridge...!  

You are choosing to see this as another example of nanny state gone mad - that's idiotic.  You will not find a person with a lower opinion of this government than me, however taken for what it is and without loading it with prejudices I can only see this as a helpful move.  In the recent past I've had cause to try to establish the CO2 output for a couple of used cars purely to determine cost of road fund licence, and it would have been a whole lot easier if there had been a reliable source of that information stuck to the car.  Online sources for this information are a pain in the a$$ - they should be radically improved given that we are taxed on it, but at least this is a step in the right direction.

sportwagon November 9, 2009 1:11 PM

I have actually bought a freezer recently. The criteria we used were size, ease of use and defrosting, value for money and most important, I was  supporting the small shop just up the road who I have found to give first class srvice at a very reasonable price. I neither know nor care whether it had a 'green' label on it, that didn't come into the equation, I assume they are all much of  a muchness.

I assume non-petrolheads approach buying a car with the same attitude. They no doubt decide on the type of car that they want and choose on the basis of reliabilty, styling, value, and how good a customer service the dealer provides. If they are non-technically minded they are unlikely to want to go looking at and interpreting technical information and as ADR says, there is nothing wrong with that.

ronmcdonald November 9, 2009 3:37 PM

I agree it does seem a silly idea at first, but no punter is going to choose a Hyundai i20 over an Elise because it costs £500 kess to run. That's not the point of the label.

Where the label will be effective is if say someone is debating between a 1.6 Tdi or 1.8Tdi Focus. Most buyers don't read specialist magazines and are easy prey for a salesman's bull manure, but if they can see for themselves that the both engines return similar performance but the 1.6 is a much cheaper car to run (better fuel + £35 road tax), then the punter will be swayed to the cheaper 1.6, which at the end of the day, is what the government want.

overboost November 9, 2009 8:11 PM

Yes there are plenty of punters who walk onto the Car lot and say small boot but hey that Elise looks good for regular day to day commuting!! its like saying its either a new focus or a 1980's Ferrari!

As to all white goods being the same - the answer is no, just like every car does not score 5-star in NCAP tests. We don't all do a long research on the net and browse the Mags. The most research non car fans might browse the car mag at the local newsagent and even bring along a (usually male) Friend to provide backup to the Car dealer. Lots if punters did look at the energy ratings for appliances and the result is that it killed of the turkeys. Buying the next family car with no knowledge of NCAP ratings because they're 'all the same'?

Mondeo Owner November 10, 2009 10:35 AM

Agree, this is aimed at the uniformed and helps with close decision (which blue focus?) rather than initial selection.

If it makes big petrol engined cars all the cheaper then perhaps it's no bad thing for some of us!

Meanwhile I'm off to buy a sticker company.

theop November 10, 2009 10:00 PM

haven't read the comments above but what I can say is this:

If you need to ask how much fuel costs will be and whether it will be £2000 per year or 3, then you should be using the bus...

alexpnn November 16, 2009 10:45 AM

Hi,  

We are a taxi company Hummingbird Cars in London. We provide Airport Transfer service from all london airports.

We are in need of buying cars as our business is growing.But, we are in a sort of confusion as that should we go for used or new cars. So, Can anyone please advice us looking at cost and also other factors which is the best option for us.

http://www.hummingbirdcars.com

Thank you

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