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Jul 03 2009

Electric dreams - and nightmares

James Ruppert
I came across an advert the other day for a G-Wiz. It was a 2007 model with 1700 miles on the clock. That counts as barely run-in - if you ever need to run-in an electric car that is. Either way, 850 miles a year even bouncing around London is on a par with a ponderous commuter cyclist.

It was up for just £4500, which is roughly half the cost new, depending on what extras are added, and even that price was negotiable. What we have here is the realisation that the G-Wiz is a risible mode of transport. The owner might well claim, ‘genuine reason for sale’ but I reckon they can’t wait to get shot of it.



I’ve seen the same happen with some hybrids. At the moment there’s a whole bunch at a West London car supermarket, a triple AAA battery’s throw from the congestion zone, which were all underpriced and not yet sold. I’m slightly tempted to buy a really cheap Prius and run it until something expensive needs doing, but I can’t get away from the fact that I’d still rather have a Golf TD.

Good luck to Tesla with its new showroom that I must pop along to. At least moving the stock around won’t choke the receptionist or spoil those vital sales calls.

I get the feeling, though, that it could be as whisper quiet in there as the motor. A Tesla is no G-Wiz, thank the automotive gods, but cost has to be an issue, as is the future cost of replacing the batteries.

The car trade is rightly suspicious of new tech and despite gormless Gordon and malevolent Mandy being deluded about our potential contribution to alternative power, electric vehicles have some way to go.

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

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jonfortwo July 3, 2009 3:20 PM

I think the manufacturers should carry quite a bit of responsibility for our suspicion. Why do all these cars look so "odd". G-Wiz aside, the Toyota Prius is a bit freakish outside with a bizarre futuristic (ahem) interior and this Kangoo thing looks laughable.

Do a "normal" electric car and you may get somewhere, all you will then have to do is get the range up to something useable, completely re-arrange social infrastructure in every major town and city to allow recharging and get some control in the cost of leccy.

TegTypeR July 3, 2009 3:21 PM

The battery is the biggest long term issue with an electric vehicle, which is why I believe that cars powered by current are not going to be a viable alternative to good solid low emission combustion engined cars for at least the next ten years.

Mind you, there will probably be enough people brainwashed by both the environmentalists and the government to buy the current generation vehicles.  I just can't wait to hear their protests when it comes time to spend out on a new power cell!  I'll be sitting here saying, "told you so!".

jackjflash July 3, 2009 3:26 PM

This why you have no homegrown automotive industry to speak of, the British motoring press is more inclined to kill electric transportation in its crib than to consider the possibilities of a successful new industry. I guess you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

James Ruppert July 3, 2009 5:40 PM

I'm old enough to remember the first bright electric future that was the Enfield Electric, which looked not unlike a Wiz, but it was bigger. Motoring hacks seldom have the power to stop anything, they tried to stop the Allegro and Marina and failed. I've driven a 130mpg Prius with British tech in it, don't know whether the company has got £25m from Gordon though. Prove a cynic like me, and lapsed Battery Vehicle Society member wrong. Meanwhile I'm with Teg on the told you so front.

Dan McNeil July 3, 2009 6:00 PM

Come off it James.   Stop being cynical, stop repeating what others say and do some research.   Myth about batteries in hybrids lasting 5 minutes is just that - a myth.   Just one of many, may myth-busting bits of info here:

www.motorauthority.com/toyota-prius-taxi-tops-340000mi-dispels-battery-myth.html

This rings true when Toyota say they've replaced only a couple of batteries ever for Prius's still under the 8 year hybrid drive warranty. And replacement batteries for the Prius cost £2k, which isn't stupidly expensive either.

James Ruppert July 3, 2009 9:13 PM

Dan, I've no issue with battery hybrids and the fact that Toyota and Honda make them is doubly reassuring. Nope it is the full on batteries which do and will need replacing sooner rather than later. I love the idea of not having to pump in petrol and I want an affordable and practical alternative to a fuel that is going to run out.

jackjflash July 3, 2009 10:10 PM

Its human nature to be impatient; everyone wants a quick fix but unfortunately it takes a little “stick to it” for something like electric cars to progress. In the process some may fail; i.e. the ill fated EV1 and yes maybe the Wiz. The G Wiz is a victim of its odd appearance and it doesn’t look to be crammed with creature comforts either, I can’t say as I have never seen one. The Wiz (hmmm, note to self, Wiz ad, ease on down the road) is further victimized by way of its generation one battery tech, a painful and costly step for a small company. GM’s battery lab is currently testing 155 new chemistries as we speak and new ones arrive almost daily. And if you don’t think China and Japan are not hard at work along the same lines I would have to question your sanity. Of course batteries will be expensive initially and the best of the battery powered ilk will most likely be purchased by people with deep pockets, but that was also the case for the first petrol powered cars. Secondly, it’s not an either or proposition you and Teg can wiz along in your petrol or beloved diesel powered transport in concert with the rise of the electric car without too much discomfort except maybe a little elbow pain as you shake your fist at the whippersnapper who just cut you off in a Tesla.

Uncle Mellow July 3, 2009 10:13 PM

Hang on a minute. Autocar keeps telling us that small diesel cars will be extict shortly , because of the cost of cleaning up the exhaust. Many diesel cars are already giving problems because the particulate filters require you to go for a good thrash down the motorway fairly often . I know people who regularly start their cars to drive half a mile to work, and would take a week or three to do 50 miles. This sort of use is death to a petrol or diesel engine , and electric cars would be the answer.

beachland2 July 4, 2009 1:01 AM

£2k for replacement batteries is stupid and i dont see a reason why anyone would buy them. you can buy a very decent car for £2k.

james you have the right idea to buy a cheap old prius. its something i have thought about. they have tiny tax costs per year, which is an asset i think people are missing considering its very low asking prices now for the original models. and a loophole in the tax makes them even more viable. when the battery packs or motor or conversion parts do eventually fail, then rip out the whole electric systems, recycle/scrap them maybe even get some cash for them. then run the car as just a small engined petrol car. but the unique bonus is that you still get the cheap tax disc every year. even though average emissions have shot up.

i even had a business plan to buy up lots of old prius, do the stripping and resell them as trouble free cheap family cars with cheap tax for life. sadly i dont have the money to do it. but it would be fun.

beachland2 July 4, 2009 1:06 AM

oh i also forgot to add that an additional bonus of taking out all the batteries and motors is that it will save many kgs of weight. even with less power it should feel nicer to drive, better on the bumps and easier on the brakes etc.

Dan McNeil July 4, 2009 10:04 AM

beachland2:

"£2k for replacement batteries is stupid and i dont see a reason why anyone would buy them. you can buy a very decent car for £2k"

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What a dozy comment.    

How is having to spend £2k on replacement batteries after 250,000-odd miles to keep a car going any more stupid than spending a similar amount to keep a conventionally powered car of similar mileage on the road?  Plus, when the your high mileage  Prius with its new battery finally fell apart, you'd strip out the still decent battery and keep it as spare for your next secondhand (£2k) Prius.

sierra July 4, 2009 11:33 AM

"...would take a week or three to do 50 miles..."

But what about "granny is ill and we need to get there tonight" - "sorry, the car's on charge; oh, and she's in Manchester so it's beyond the range, so we'll have to stop in Birminham to re-charge......zzzzz"

Uncle Mellow July 4, 2009 4:40 PM

If granny was ill , these kind of folk would get a plain , train , or bus regardless , because they just don't DO long distance driving.

Uncle Mellow July 4, 2009 4:41 PM

I do , of course , mean a plane......

barmyarnie August 29, 2009 8:40 PM

Problem with the Tesla is the batteries throw the back end about making it unstable on the bends. Now I think Toyota are playing with a hydrogen cell car concept now and thats VERY light weight, very fast acceleration and behaves like any other normal car. I think this is the way things will go.

Batteries are just a heavy intermediate step.

barmyarnie August 29, 2009 8:42 PM

BTW LOL at the "ponderous commuter cyclist" bit. The guys I know do around 2-4 thousand miles a year on their bikes. Would like to see a GWhiz do that!

voyager12 September 2, 2009 11:59 PM

It's not only the battery issue, but also the package that's containing it, the car that is. When are people gonna learn - Lotus recently came up with a boxy four-seater in which people are forced to sit in such an upright position that it already hurts to look at it, Gordon Murray did the same thing but then in an even tighter box - that tiny is not the answer.

Sleek is better. Volvo, BMW and particularly Volkswagen already looked at the concept of narrow track vehicles. They hold more promise as they're able to offer a Best of Both Worlds: the comfort and safety of a car and the flexibility and fuel economy of a motor scooter.

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