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Mar 09 2010

Let Alfa know what you think of its new Spider

Julian Rendell
I’m not really into campaigns, but I reckon Autocar readers might be able to influence one of the great decisions pending in a car company in-box.

At some point in the next few years, Alfa needs a new Spider, Duetto or whatever you call it — a lightweight agile, two-seater, preferably rear-drive.



Read the full story and see more pics of Pininfarina's concept

And at Geneva, Italian coach-builder Pininfarina served up the perfect design – the beautiful Duettotantta — several design bosses’ choice of best car at Geneva.

If there’s any justice on the world, the Duettottanta will pass unhindered from concept to production as fast as Alfa Romeo’s engineers can manage. The exquisite proportions and subtle body surfacing surely demand that?

Pininfarina talks about the Duettotantta as a “single volume”, which seems to me to be shorthand for an incredibly fluid beltline that flows seamlessly from the rear haunch into the centre section and on to the minimalist Alfa shield grille.

Pininfarina’s own pictures don’t really show the scalloped detail on the body side, but it’s the same feature that made the Ferrari Scaglietti so distinctive. Scaled down on the smaller Duettotantta, it just looks right.

If there is a weak area on the new Duetto, it’s the rear decklid. No doubt the built-in spoiler is an aerodynamic requirement, but the execution needs refining to balance the elegance of the rest of the car.

The Duettottanta is rear-wheel drive, of course, so if Fiat’s takeover of Chrysler creates the chance for Alfa to switch to rear-drive with cars like a new Spider for Alfa, all the effort and grief will definitely have been worth it.

History, though, proves that speculative designs like this rarely make production.

Think of the handsome Keith Helfet-designed Jag F-type, created without a specific platform in mind. And then scuppered from making production by a myriad of minor obstacles that added up to a giant ‘not possible’.

Pininfarina even created a classically-inspired two-seater for Honda some years back when the S2000 was in the melting pot.

Called the Argento Viva, it combined flowing curves and exquisite proportions, but was sidelined in favour of the edgier design that’s only just gone out of production about 15 years later.

Despite referring back to the great hand-crafted era of 1950s sportscars, I reckon the Duettottanta is sufficiently up-to-date to remain fresh in 15 years time.

We can only hope Alfa’s management agree and more importantly, Fiat boss Sergeo Marchionne, does, too. So how about it Autocar readers — let’s turn history on its head and show Alfa what we think the Duettottanta is brilliant new design and hopefully we can help usher its design into reality? Over to you readers.

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RobotBoogie March 9, 2010 2:35 PM

While Pininfarina should be congratulated on this design, I can't see that this car is what Alfa needs at the moment. There are already lots of good looking Alfas in the range - what the marque really needs is to establish itself as a credible alternative to the German prestige manufacturers rather than as the choice of a few enthusiasts. To do this it needs to do some rather prosaic legwork - recruiting more decent dealers would be a good start, as would working overtime to overturn a reputation for unreliability that refuses to go away, deserved or not.

Also, there will probably be plenty of posts below this that says what Alfa really needs is RWD. Outside of the motoring magazines, few buyers really care about this in any part of the market, sport car or otherwise. Otherwise Audi wouldn't have overtaken BMW in recent years as the default choice in most segments of the prestige market right across Europe.

pabs March 9, 2010 2:38 PM

you are so right. Marchionne needs his head examining if he lets this concept pass and doesn,t get it under way asap, as he did with the trepiuno (500) Add my name to the e. mail list

scrap March 9, 2010 2:42 PM

Unfortunately, the Pininfarina design doesn't look feasible for production, and would no doubt have to change quite a bit to become a production car.

It's certainly beautiful though, and Alfa should try and make this market its own. Why buy an SLK or Z4 if you could own one of these?

Jeezitsonlyacar March 9, 2010 3:23 PM

Why buy an SLK or Z4 if you could own one of these?

That's easy. Because they will start every morning, warning lights won't come on unless there is genuinely something wrong, and the radio won't have been wired by a child or upside down.

gtv6 March 9, 2010 3:26 PM

Marchionne does not like current design of the 159/Brera,he finds it  too aggressive.Marchionne as with Montezemolo doesn't understand what an Alfa Romeo should be about. Wether its' a potato o an 8c ( car that he never wanted to make) it's all the same with him. So first of all when you say let Alfa know , let me remind you that Alfa as a company is dead and gone, there are no Alfa men left at fiat, and second he's already said that unless he giulietta makes some money, nothing else will be wearing the Alfa badge. Let's hope they sell it.

Ubizzle March 9, 2010 3:30 PM

In response to the "Jeezitsonlyacar", you can tell this person hasn't had much exposure to too many Alfa Romeos recently.

I got an early Mito (12 full months ago) and haven't had a single fault on it, even though it was an early production model.

A friend has a GT Blackline which also hasn't had any problems, and the Brera is considered to be a very reliable car, so I'm not really sure what you're saying.

Back to the original article:

This is a beautiful car and I really do want this car to be put in production as I'd be at the front of the list if it was rear-wheel drive. Alfa should put this into production as soon as they can, but only if it drives well. I'd say that might take just over 2 years to ensure if they go at it properly, but the platform would be shared with the Brera replacement and possibly the next-gen 159.

I can see no reason this car wouldn't be rushed through, to be honest, as long as only minor amendments are needed. I really have read/heard a LOT of support for this car being put into production, so it'd be silly not to.

Over to you, Alfa...

gtv6 March 9, 2010 3:43 PM

Dear Ubizzle, the last sentence should " over to you fiat...".

They have shut down even the " Centro stile Alfa Romeo".

It's all in Turin now.

The Alfa museum in Arese in has pratically been abandoned,

and as far as the centenery celebration....well that was it, whatever you saw in Geneve. Sad but true!

disco.stu March 9, 2010 5:28 PM

If they do build it, I hope they build it so it at least looks like the show car.  If they are going to do another Brera, then they should not bother.  For anyone who wonders why the Brera looks so awkward, google 'Brera Concept' and see what it was supposed to look like before it was adapted to be economically feasible.  From memory it was a RWD V8 coupe with funky doors and very cab-backward proportions.

Ubizzle March 9, 2010 5:57 PM

They've shut down the Centro Stile!? That's just pathetic.

If all you say is true (and I have no reason to doubt you), then Alfa is going to go down the sh*tters because they are just making it an upmarket Fiat, rather than their own special cars (I know the Mito is based on a fiat, but it's got extensive modifications and was rushed through because Alfa needed a cheaper model while the Giulietta was perfected, helping the firm get a bit of a foothold in the European market before its release - at least the Mito was designed in Milan though).

I don't like Marchionne anyway, I never thought he was an Alfa man, but you've just proved that GTV6. The irony is, if Alfa were run properly, by people who were passionate about the company, they could be made to prosper while retaining what makes them so special. It seems as though Marchionne is going for one of those 2.

nick80 March 9, 2010 6:20 PM

I think its a simple and elegant design...just how the original spider was...maybe they could take most of it to production.....the nose looks good......but i love what bertone's done with its car in that area....

TheStig March 9, 2010 6:42 PM

I'd love Alfa Romeo to make this car. It's the ultimate expression of what an Alfa should be. It would be foolishness not to make it.

I hope Fiat won't make the same mistake as it did with Lancia - totally disregarding the core values of a brand with such rich heritage and massive following from fans - something many don't have.

ALFA, PLEASE MAKE IT.

Richard H March 9, 2010 7:31 PM

Its a no-brainer.

ALFA, YOU MUST BUILD THIS CAR!!!

welcome to reality March 9, 2010 7:33 PM

If you're going to make the marques of Alfa Romeo and Lancia viable, first you make sure they're reliable, and then you have to look at what qualities made them successful when they were big news in their golden 1950's and 60's!

LANCIA -- Avante Garde high style, small-ish, with exciting performance from innovative technology that makes most other cars seem boring and uninspired.

ALFA ROMEO -- Beautiful, decidedly Italian design, soulful performance, small-ish, and FUN.

If those people at FIAT knew what they were doing, these would be the briefs to revitalize these marques. They must march to their own drummers and CORE VALUES and not follow the pack as also-runs.

This Spyder would be absolutely CRUCIAL for a return to the US market with this new merger. Judging by photos, it looks very much like it fits the correct Alfa brief.

kdwilcox March 9, 2010 7:46 PM

What Marchionne has to do is to make sure that Alfa start making cars that will sell,and sell big time.

I read that some one does not like Marchionne and he never thought he was an Alfa man,all i can say to that is thankgoodness he is not an Alfa man.

Alfa need some one to turn the company round,if not in a few years there will be no Alfa.

The problems that Alfa have must be sorted out ,quick,what a few petrolheads think mean nothing.

It is simple and elegant like the original spider was,great,but did the thing sell many cars?,don't think so.

In the past Alfa have made quite a few cars that have looked very good,the problem,very few were sold.

Live in the real world,if you don't Alfa could well be a thing from the past.

I will tell you something ,if sales do not start to rise soon Marchionne will kill Alfa,end of story.  

stagata1 March 9, 2010 7:55 PM

Saw it in Geneva last week. Love it! Sooner the better. It'll add the spark of life like the Duetto did in '66.

david RS March 9, 2010 9:20 PM

If they produce it (it is beautiful!), it can only be a RWD.

The style would be certainly much modified before the begining of production.

But which platform to use? Working with Chrysler?

gtv6 March 9, 2010 9:55 PM

To kdwilcox.

If there's someone who does not want to sell Alfas, that someone is mr Marchionne.He has been at fiat now for six years. He has killed off all the projects relevant to Alfa. The 939 series ( 159/ Brera) was supposed to have ahad a new light chassis and more powerful enginesand revised interiors Mito a gta version, the 8c a gta version, the 166 replacement, ect ect. For the centenery of this great marque we get a couple of concepts instead and Tha car that was ready two years ago ( from what i hear) I'm sorry it's no good enough, and it's no good blaming poor sales, he and his boss Montezemolo are more interested in selling pandas and 500s than selling Alfas

gtv6 March 9, 2010 10:17 PM

"He is a barrister, solicitor and Certified General Accountant. He is a member of the Certified General Accountants of Ontario and the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants."

Enough said !

Ed Keohane March 9, 2010 10:45 PM

I reckon it was the best-looking car at the show... and by some way.

cornflakes99 March 10, 2010 12:11 AM

@ kdwilcox

"What Marchionne has to do is to make sure that Alfa start making cars that

will sell, and sell big time"

"The problems that Alfa have must be sorted out"

"I will tell you something ,if sales do not start to rise soon Marchionne

will kill Alfa,end of story"

Confucius you've met your match, pure genius!

will email Gordan Brown later and tell him that to win the next election all he has to do is get people to like him, so simple when you think of it!

FrankAlfa March 10, 2010 12:50 AM

LOL,  Alfa Romeo's only problem is that they have to start to produce car like this one and not ugly, bulbous, blobs!  This car certainly is the most beautiful and desirable Alfa Romeos in a VERY long time!  The Brera has an odd name and the long wide roomy original concept car is nothing like the production model!  This is where Alfa Romeo is failing.  We need coupes, spiders, Mid-Size Sedans & Full Size Luxury Cars!  No more odd looking, tiny wierd cars.  Just produce sleek, beautiful cars like this Duetto Spider!  No more crappy, odd looking and feeling cars!  We also DO NOT WANT RETRO styling!!!!  This new Duetto is a very elegant and stunning car that only need to be produced!  The "C" Pillar is the only area that need work to incorporate a rollover bar.  I say let the car have a folding top like the old Lancia Zagato of the 70's with a fixed rear glass!  That would save space in the trunk area and make for a much more rigid chassis.  Make the car REAR DRIVE (Engine up front Transmission in the rear) and put a nice 2750 HP Engine in it (2.5 liter Multi-Air Turbo 6 cylinder). This would make it a light, fast, roomy 2 seat car!  It also would not step on the toes of Maserati or Ferrari!  This would be a great seller!!!  I have no clue what Bertone was thinking in the car they executed for the show!  

FrankAlfa March 10, 2010 12:53 AM

LOL, that is 275 hp engine!  sorry.

Leslie Brook March 10, 2010 8:54 AM

Oh good, another fabulous looking Alfa that's not as good to drive as it's rivals... 159...Brera...  

It's   rear end reminds me of the BMW Z8 and that wasn't too hot dynamically either, but I loved it.

pietromaggi March 10, 2010 12:26 PM

how painful is for someone who's always loved and lusted for and had fun with alfas, to see this marque going down amidst the lack of interest of its mother company!

marchionne does not want alfa, does not need it: they already have maserati for sporty coupes and high-end sedans, they already have lancia for "niche" designs, and they already have fiat for the masses. Ferrari is just on another planet. Alfa is excess baggage.

i think this spider is EXACTLY what Alfa should be, and the Giulietta is EXACTLY what Alfa should NOT be.

the former is sexy. exciting, unique.

the latter wants astra and golf people, but at the same time "sporty" customers fooled by the name into buying a glorified fiat bravo.

adam2853 March 10, 2010 1:09 PM

Actually, i prefer the elegant and subtle new Infiniti inspired Porsche Cayenne for design purity, brand integrity and as a contribution to humanity...

is what no one with functioning eyes would say.

Seriously though, in 5 years I will be able to afford a 35k sports car and this would wipe the floor with any other as long as they get the driving experience right.

Please.......make it!

montgomery March 10, 2010 2:23 PM

the latter wants astra and golf people, but at the same time "sporty" customers fooled by the name into buying a glorified fiat bravo.

Really? What does it share with the Bravo?

Grunt March 10, 2010 2:55 PM

This is a gorgeous car, so much more Alfa than the Brera is...

Get me one. NOW!

pietromaggi March 10, 2010 4:17 PM

@Montgomery: the Giulietta has the same engines, the same price tag, the same overall "not-so-hot-hatchback" look (plus the now Alfa-usual 8C Competizione nose somehow forcedly shoved in), the same compact but a bit spacious interior, the same customer.

Pol Medhi March 10, 2010 5:26 PM

Alfa needs Fiat group but Does Fiat need Alfa? No.

Fiat, Maseratis, Abarths, Ferraris n Federal Chrysler is all that Fiat needs. Alfa n Lancia should die since they have no brand relation with the core brands (mentioned above). Some1 please do something about these evocative marques. Independence is the only answer but that's very unlikely possible. I.M.POSSIBLE.

pietromaggi March 10, 2010 5:34 PM

well if Spyker has bought Saab, then the MUST be a possible buyer for Alfa, as long as Marchionne goes all the way and put it on sale. By the way, Fiat acquired Alfa FOR FREE (! really !)

tris707 March 10, 2010 6:26 PM

Im in the market for a new Alfa but nothing they make really appeals to me. I want a small roadster thats good to drive and not an MX-5. Alfa need this car! They have one roadster which is very far of the mark in terms of drivability due to the shear weight of the thing. Also in today’s market 29mpg from the base model is poor.

MattDB March 11, 2010 10:16 AM

Stunning concept but if it was ever engineered for production and crash tests it would change dramatically.  Thats not to say it would be worse but would be different to this concept.  As far as Chrysler providing a RWD platform, remember that their olny platforms that are RWD are a mid 90's Mercedes E Class cast off and a truck chassis with live axles, not really the right stuff for an Alfa.  If I had to choose from this lot I would go for the new Guilietta platform, make it FWD and put cotton wool in my ears so I didn't have to listen to the ourists with their tweed jackets having a moan.  Remember that there are many Audi TT fans out there who don't give a fig that its FWD and based on a Golf.

theop March 11, 2010 11:18 AM

Stunned! Alfa please build it. We know it won't be identical, we know about production cost limitations etc.

BUT: It needs to be rear wheel drive and it need sto be light ish.

I remember like yday when I saw the Brera in Geneva a few years ago. I wanted to write a cheque there and then. Luckily I didn't, as the actual car came in overweight, underpowered and dynamically quite a lemon actually (a bit like the Golf Mk4 gti story).

I wish the new spider stays lithe, light, rwd and stiff. It would be like a boxter (or a recent Z4), only better!

I would certainly buy one then.

Guardian Devil March 12, 2010 5:17 AM

i wish it was possible but cars like this never ever see the light

concept cars have the soul purpose of torturing us making us imagine what it would be like if they existed only to let us down by the final product that is always altered to a point u cannot tell that it actually started life as a beautiful concept

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