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Mar 18 2010

Toyota drivers are safer than they think

Steve Sutcliffe
A little birdie with very big wings told me some fascinating stuff about the Toyota recall crisis recently. It was in direct response to what I wrote in the mag this week about Toyota having to fit black box data recorders to its roads cars “to protect itself in court against its own customers.”

According to my source this is not, and never will be, the reason why Toyota fits data recorders to its cars. Toyota, says the source (and you can probably guess which Japanese car company he works for), has and never will do anything to actively protect itself against its customers.



Toyota Auris 1.6 first drive

In reality, in fact, it’s the other way round, which is why the data stored on Toyota’s black boxes is encoded and can only be read by Toyota’s engineers - ie, not by the authorities – not unless they demand to see the data in Congress, which is unlikely to happen when arguing over a speeding fine or a bit of lairy driving, let’s face it.

There are plenty of other manufacturers who aren’t anywhere near as protective of their customers as Toyota when it comes to the storage of potentially incriminating data. There are some supercars which store all the data in the car's on-board computer and, should you get involved in a high-speed incident it wouldn’t present the authorities with any real difficulties should they decide to take a look.

Do the same in an Avensis and the info stays with you and Toyota alone. For the time being…

For most of us who value living in a free, fair and democratic society, that surely is to be regarded as a good thing?
  
 




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Autocar's finest driver and most experienced road tester. Raced TVRs for three years; drove Honda's F1 car and set competitive times at Silverstone. Says he "likes cars, and likes other people who like cars".

Comments

JackB March 18, 2010 3:32 PM

For the name time being - that's the key phrase here. I'm sure, in a few years European Comission will do something about it...

noluddite March 18, 2010 4:44 PM

so why are they collecting the data, if not to use it to protect themselves>

Dave Ryan March 18, 2010 7:56 PM

"so why are they collecting the data, if not to use it to protect themselves"

Same reason any other car company would collect the data: to see if the car is working properly. That's why so much stuff is diagnosed via the ECU nowadays. Whether it's the right approach is debatable (personally I'm not convinced it is), but it doesn't mean it's necessarily anything sinister.

Phillip McCavitie March 19, 2010 9:02 AM

ANYTHING is disclosable in the UK by application for, and granting of, the requisite warrant unless a public interest immunity certificate is granted by a judge. Unlikely PII would apply I'd opine.

You might not go to the effort of making the application, it doesn't follow that it will never happen though.

Your source is mistaken, Toyota are not above the law.

big x March 19, 2010 11:09 AM

In the case of the highway patrol man killed with his family in a runaway Lexus, I wonder if the authorities have accessed the data ?

It seems likely to me that being an experienced driver he put the car into N but for some reason the command was not accepted.

If there was some sort of freeze in the engine ECU pressing the start button twice may have also failed.

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