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Nov 20 2009

Remember Grand Valley?

Mike Duff
What was the most significant piece of motoring news in 1998? The arrival of the Ford Focus? The debut of the Smart? Or was it the launch of the original Gran Turismo game for the PlayStation?

I pretty much lost the summer of '98 to Gran Turismo, the first modern driving game and the one that pretty much set the formula for its many imitators. GT was designed to bring out the inner geek like nothing else, and I reveled in the intricacies of gaining licences, setting up cars and trimming lap times for the challenging array of tracks. And, all the time, I was marveling at what were, by the standards of the age, amazing graphics.



A decade on and the GT franchise is still going strong, getting bigger and fancier and even better-looking. But it's also left me and lots of other less-serious gamers behind. For a start, I can't justify the expense or domestic strife of a PS3. But I also felt that, as the games grew in scope, they also lost the character and playability that made the early versions.

But now - thanks to one of those airport impulse buys - I've rediscovered my love of the original concept. With the prospect of a week traveling around Eastern Europe I splashed out on a portable PSP and a compatible copy of the latest Gran Turismo for it. It's an almost perfect match: the PSP delivers more than enough graphics quality for its tiny screen, and the stripped-out game has pretty much returned to the original formula: lots of cars (from a Fiat Panda 750 to Schumi's Ferrari F2004), lots of tracks and simple, fun racing.

If you're an ex-addict looking to relive your gaming youth it's well worth dropping some hints as Christmas approaches, not least as it fits in your pocket and can therefore be played well away from the sneers of anyone who reckons you should have 'grown out of that sort of thing.'

Just one question: has anyone ever worked out the optimum braking point for the first corner at Grand Valley?

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Used to edit this website, but now back to reporting from the road - and contemplating which sub-£1000 1990s German executive to buy next

Comments

bangertastic November 20, 2009 12:11 PM

I'm in the exact same predicament. I had the original game but boring things like mortgages have taken over since then.

I would go out and buy a PS3 today is my wife would allow it.......

That first corner at Grand Valley is a tricky one, and so easy to over-cook. Fond memories.........

Mike - why not just buy yourself a PS2 off ebay for £50? Hours of fun, and easy to justify the price.

cmcc90 November 20, 2009 12:19 PM

I hated Grand Valley, basically as a result of many first corner trips into the gravel trap.

Hurts to say this though but Grand Turismo in my eyes has lost its way, played GT5 prologue on my mates PS3 and it just felt boring. I'd say Forza Motorsport is alot more fun, and with it being on a cheaper console, it'll save you a few pounds.

Geetee40 November 20, 2009 12:41 PM

Ihave a PS3 having gone from PS1, 2. Me and my friends like the GT5 prologue, as it gives a lot more realism into the the car. Although we do use a wheel, we'd like more feedback in to the pedals and not just only wheel.

We like the way the game has been developed, as you have to now understand better the engineering and physics of setting a car up... but then again we're engineers.

Evo_ermine November 20, 2009 1:32 PM

I remember the summer of 98 too...bought my first (and only as it happens) Playstation. I tuned a Supra to 930 BHP or something ridiculous. It had massive turbo lag but was huge fun. I don't really play games these days but had a blast on GT4 and somehow the fun had gone. Whether that's my age or the fact that the graphics are so good now there's no sensation of speed, i'm not sure. The nurburgring reproduction is mighty impressive tho.

There was some green Mazda RX7 special i seem to remember in GT that was pretty handy. And the 'concept car' was fast. And the Impreza...it's all flooding back.

Andy_Cowe November 20, 2009 4:07 PM

I loved the original Gran Turismo and spent many hours getting to 100% complete. I was too busy with work for GT2. Played GT3, but only enjoyed the arcade mode. I didn't enjoy GT4, it felt like the unsprung weight of many cars was far too high. I have GT5 Prologue and the handling feels all wrong.

MotorStorm is a much more interesting PS3 game, although not that realistic.

You can get a new style PS3 for £200 if you look around. And don't forget it doubles as a Blu-Ray and upscaling DVD player. It seems much cheaper then.

beachland2 November 20, 2009 6:22 PM

It's always sad to hear of wife enforcement. I suggest limiting them to only 2 pairs of shoes, one to wear and 1 spare. For each gadget your allowed they can have another pair of shoes.

duffy1207 November 21, 2009 12:52 AM

Where can you get a new PS3 for £200?

1st corner of grand valley was alwyas a tough one, I was only 10 or so and my 950bhp ish Mitsubishi was so quick you could crash around the outside of the barriers on most corners on full throttle and still win.

Stotty November 21, 2009 6:58 PM

I'm a GT addict, having owned every version of the game including GTPSP.

GTPSP is a good enough distraction, but it's really only GT4 morphed to the PSP... the physics are no where near as detailed as GT5P.

For a proper GT experience you really must get yourself a decent wheel (preferably a G25). GT5P with a wheel is pretty good, if a bit sterile... but it's still in another league for detailed physics modelling compared to stuff like Forza and Shift. And of course racing your mates on-line is absolutely brilliant.

Around 4 months and counting to the release of GT5.

Notiron November 21, 2009 9:08 PM

Duff - I am exactly the same as you. '98 lost to mastering Grand Valley in one of :

- '68 Mustang

- 950bhp Mitsushitti

- Subaru rally car.

Airport impulse purchase too gave me it back on the PSP and it's excellent. I don't stay up to 3am playing it anymore though.

never buy a clio November 21, 2009 10:36 PM

What you need is a little FTO tuned to the max, that was my quickest car, not too much power but, enough. Just after you come off the left hand you need to brake, then, power slide it round. Although, for the hairpin at the bottom there was nothing better than my RUF CTR2 tuned to 650bhp and that went sideways, great fun! Use a manual mode too, hold onto the gears, I know you can change ratios but, trust me. And yeah the CTR was only available from GT2 but, if you can get it...

never buy a clio November 21, 2009 10:45 PM

Yes I'm a geek and the FTO was my quickest around Grand Valley. My quickest overall was the Pikes Peak Suzuki, 450kph but, you need to wait 2/3rds of a lap to pick up a tow!

Evo_ermine November 22, 2009 1:21 AM

That Pikes Peak Suzuki was mega fast but boring. The rear wheel drive cars were loads of fun. The TVR Speed 12 in GT2 was tricky to handle. Snap over-steer was always a split second away!

Andy_Cowe November 22, 2009 1:30 PM

To duffy1207,

Sainsburys were doing the PS3 for £200, don't know if the offer is still on. I heard John Lewis are also doing it at that price in-store. Also Costco if you have a card.

Plus a few places were clearing stock of the old model at that price to make way for the Slim version.

duffy1207 November 22, 2009 3:34 PM

Thanks to Andy_Cowe.

I've had a look around and I can get the best deal at asda because my mate's got a 10% discount.

120GB slim and FIFA 10 for £245, or 220.50 with the discount.

DO you thing its worth the extra £50 to get Batman and X men Blue rays, the 250GB model and blu ray remote as well as Fifa?

I feel an overdraft coming on.

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