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Nov 09 2009

Ditching GTIs is a bold move from Peugeot

Andrew Frankel
So Peugeot is to abandon not only the GTI badge, but the concept behind it. Put another way, and if Peugeot is to be believed, it has designed its last hot hatch.

My emotions on the subject are mixed. On the one hand I can get all misty eyed about 205 and 306 GTIs and observe that we’ll never see their like again. On the other, that’s been true for some time and Peugeot’s more recent past has produced an unbroken line of such hot hatch mediocrity that I wonder if anyone’s really going to miss them at all.



What interests me is the thought process that led Peugeot to conclude its future lies in expensive coupes like the forthcoming RCZ. If I understand the thinking properly, such cars will help build the Peugeot brand more quickly and effectively that souped up versions of extant product and are potentially more profitable per unit. Fair enough.

But history is littered with cases of car manufacturers with ideas for their brands loftier than they are able to support and by putting these coupes at the forefront of its brand building aspiration, Peugeot is declining comparisons with Vauxhall, Renault and Citroen and instead inviting them from Audi, BMW and Alfa Romeo.

And for Peugeot, a company that has not put a decent driver’s car on the market in at least a decade, that is some leap.

I hope it is not too far. In the last year and for the first time in too long, I have enjoyed driving some of the most unlikely Peugeots, the 3008 and 5008 MPVs among them. At last Peugeot seems to be thinking about the driver again. I’ve driven the RCZ too, albeit in concept form, and thoroughly enjoyed that too.

But to abandon entirely a genre of car as practical, cheap to design and produce as the hot hatch in favour of these coupes strikes me as a potentially hazardous strategy.

Ford and VW show very clearly there is nothing wrong with the hot hatch concept, so perhaps Peugeot should have looked more closely at its execution before walking away completely.

Such is the warmth of feeling that still pervades from the day of the 205 that I have no doubt at all that if Peugeot produced a genuinely worthy successor, customers would flock to it just as they did to the Golf when VW finally got the GTI back on track a few years back.

I wish I could speak with such confidence about the commercial potential of premiumm-priced Peugeot coupes.

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Talents are limited to "driving cars and writing English." In 19th century France he would, therefore, have been stuffed; as it is, Andrew's the perfect Autocar road test writer.

Comments

rtwingo November 9, 2009 4:34 PM

I'm sorry, but a "premium-priced Peugeot" is an oxymoron.

matt007 November 9, 2009 5:25 PM

What the hell are peugeot doing??????!!!!!!

They made there name buy making the 205 GTi and the beasty 205 T16 group B rally car. Them dropping the GTi badge is stupid. But hey what do you expect the current 207 GTi is crap.

With peugeot making the "Meeke" edition surely should'nt they be making a 4 wheel drive, mid engined, Group B like rocketship based on th 207 not a diesel??? This is meant to be a celebration of a brilliant world class driver not the mum on the school run!!!!

Come Peugeot get it sorted out renault are making better hot hatches than you and they are more famous for there F1 cars, you are famous for your Group B rally cars and more recently the 207 Super S2000, which both are championship winning cars. And surely a rally car has more relevance to a hot hatch than a F1 car?????    

Please peugeot get it sorted out, we want more great cars like the 205 GTi and 206 rallye. Not a diesel hatch

noluddite November 9, 2009 5:50 PM

I'm tired of hearing how wonderful the 205 GTI was. Whenever Peugeot introduce a new GTi it always gets compared to this car. I much preferred the Golf GTi. The Pug was tinny, raucous, cramped, and wayward ,the golf solid, smooth, and predictable but still fun. The best Peugeot for me was the 504 - solid, reliable, refined, and with a superb ride. No wonder they're still sought after in the third world. Peugeot's strength is not in Coupe's.

Howey November 9, 2009 5:58 PM

they havent made a decent GTI in 10 years so no great loss. the 206,309 amd 306 were great but they are old hat now. let them rest in peace and move on.

Howey November 9, 2009 5:59 PM

sorry, re my previous post. the 206 wasnt great.

i meant the 205 was great.

the 206 GTI was actually gash...

david RS November 9, 2009 6:52 PM

A 205 GTI is timeless!

The Mk1 Golf GTI, the 306 GTI had a very successful design too.

Zeddy November 9, 2009 7:14 PM

Next generation could be the Peugeot RIP.

MattDB November 9, 2009 7:43 PM

They lost the plot years ago.  The 205 was 20 years ago and the new generation who buy these car will never drive one.

Never mind, Mr. Renault doesn't let the French down even if they will end up selling a 4 wheeled ipod called Zoe (but with a Cup Chassis!!)

overboost November 9, 2009 7:49 PM

VW was able to rescue the Golf GTI, Peugeot wasn't

jerry99 November 9, 2009 8:40 PM

Probably a good decision without the commitement shown by Renault the hot hatches Peugeot made have become more insipid.

I had a 309GTI and except for poor brake balance front to rear it was good with very competently setup rear suspension. Since than the bid to banish lift off over steer and the substitution of inferior suspension geometery and shock absorbers have diminshed Peugeot GTIs. The weight gain with a self imposed limit of a 2.0 litre engine does not help.

ThwartedEfforts November 9, 2009 10:57 PM

Funny, because it was in October that PSA guvnor J-M Gales was describing how Peugeot and Citroen would 'take different paths', the former becoming more driver oriented and the latter more creative (whatever that means). Supposedly the 504 and 205 GTi were two of the cars Pug would use as a benchmark for future models, though as noluddite says the 504 is more Citroen-esque in terms of ride and comfort and the latter has all the solidity of a Huntley & Palmers tin. Do they know what they're doing? Do they 'eck.

grandslamms November 9, 2009 11:46 PM

Apart from their recent styling disasters, Peugeot's Marketing guys have now joined forces and made an unbelievable naive decision !   Just after spending millions on a successful IRC Winning car with Kris Meeke they squander all the opportunities of trickling down this success to selling more basic 206s......surely the whole purpose of going Rallying in the first place !

As still an owner of two 205 1.9 GTIs, I only wish that Peugeot concntrated on making another state of the art hot hatch.   I certainly don't believe for a minute that their marketing future lies in sport coupes - BMW /Audi etc. will have them for breakfast!  

wallabytoo November 10, 2009 9:47 AM

The comparison of Peugeots attempts to lift their cars demographic profile with that of Vauxhall / Opel in the 1980s seems very valid to me.  

Vauxhall announced they would not sell their premium coupes (Royale? anyone) to people in the lower levels of the demographic.  ie "keep out of our showrooms you commoners..."  The commoners and everyone else obeyed in their masses and defected to more sensible car makers.

I see similar pain to come for Peugeot!  premium coupes indeed...

artill November 10, 2009 10:46 AM

Peugeot have a history with great coupes in it, like the 406 and 504, but they were based on good cars anyway, and had Pininfarina styling. The RCZ has neither. So i wait with interest to see if the RCZ actually defies the odds and drives well. Renault make cars drive well without independant suspension, Peugeot might pull it off.

In truth Peaugeot didnt build 'drivers cars' until the 1980s, so they followed the coupes. But when you can do GTIs etc so well it seems daft to stop, but they did.

I have no problem with Peugeot building coupes, but why at the expence of a decent driving hatch. Cant they do both?

If the basic design of suspension is good the basic cars will drive well, and the faster versions will be easier to set up well, whatever the shape of their body.

If Peugeot dont sort out their suspension design they are doomed to mediocrity, and the Koreans do that so well it will be the end of them. They must improve their game to be considerd a quality earopean maker or it will be all over for them

Vitor Santos November 10, 2009 12:00 PM

I have a 106 GTI with 13 years old. The car has almost 170000 Kms and the reliability is very good. I think that kind of hatchback don´t exist anymore. I drove also good cars (Mini Cooper/ Twingo RS/Swift Sport) here in Portugal but none have the agility and the pleasure of mine. Infortunately the majority of 106/Saxo here in my country are "tunned" and all are damaged.

Keeping the standart dampers in good shape with the breaks and try to replace the pirellis 700 Z for potenza re 720 and you´ll see the car that you have in your hands to perform on b/twistie roads

Wanger November 10, 2009 9:26 PM

The percieved requirements from the consumer of eco greenery, safety and creature comforts have all gone against what makes a good GTi in my opinion which is low weight, high rev engines (that make all the suitable noises) and sharp steering which make em chuckable...We are never going to get these ingredients back, so savour the past and keep hold of the gems..Anyone scrapping an XR/GTi/VTi/FR or anything similiar should have to pay an extra levy rather than get any scrappage allowance by decree of motoring law!

Peugeot are just reacting to the market at present but I do think they would get more kudos with a stripped out rallye 207 than a cheesy copy of a TT!

theop November 10, 2009 9:49 PM

RIP.... since the 306/106 era, Peugeot hasn't designed a dynamically interesting car. Or a good looking one for that matter (406 coupe excepted).

In dynamic boredom terms they are beaten by Alfa. What an irony that is....

Broom Broom November 11, 2009 10:08 AM

'No Luddite' is almost correct that the Peugeot GTI was less predictable, less solid and smaller than the Golf GTI, but it was a superior car if you were a skilful driver, while being faster, better looking and more exciting.

Having said that, the Golf was a good car, and especially so if you wanted something your nan could drive safely that still had a bit of stodgy brio about it.

jerry99 November 14, 2009 11:20 AM

"If Peugeot dont sort out their suspension design they are doomed to mediocrity, and the Koreans do that so well it will be the end of them. They must improve their game to be considerd a quality earopean maker or it will be all over for them"

I think you have hit the nail on the head. VAG are masters at getting the most out of pretty basic suspension design and until relatively recently Peugeot got by with medicore cars built on superior suspension designs.

If Peugoet are just going to follow the market on suspension design they will probably struggle to compete on equal terms in every other area of the car.

I have just come back from a trip to Ecuador where I hired a Chevrolet Zafira for two weeks with 95,000 km on the clock. Much to my surprise it had stood up well to three years of driving on roads whose original surfacing had long gone, 3,000m+ altitude and endless dust. I was overtaken by a few old Peugeots who were clearly able to cope better with rough mountain roads but the modern Peugeots around seem to have just been sold as chic town cars with no significant advantage on rough mountain passes and nevitably they were being out sold by VAG products.

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