Tue
Aug 25 2009

It's time to sort out foreign lorries

Mike Duff
I reckon that, on average, I see the aftermath of a collision involving a foreign-registered lorry about once a week.

Most of these are of the "I didn't see him" variety, meaning a predictable trail of destruction.



First there'll be a police patrol or Highways Agency Shogun strobing in the hard shoulder, then the wayward lorry (inevitably looking completely undamaged) and then, either near it or under it, the remains of whichever unfortunate van or car it's side-swiped.

So the fact that a committee of MPs are urging a crackdown on badly maintained and over-hours foreign lorries is undoubtedly a good thing, although the obvious question is why it's taken us so long to get here.

This is hardly a big surprise: a previous report published earlier this year reckoned that foreign drivers are eight times more likely to be involved in a serious crash than their UK counterparts.

Every day, tens of thousands of European registered lorries rumble through our ports with unconverted headlights dipping the wrong way and without mirrors capable of seeing anything lurking in their blindspots.

Many of their drivers are likely to have no more than a rudimentary understanding of how to convert their km/h displayed by their speedos into mph, let alone the more subtle nuances of the UK's lorry-specific speed limits.

And once these trucks are in the country, the odds of them being stopped or checked for any reason - short of having driven into someone - are slight at best.

Camera enforcement means fewer police patrols, and a retired motorway cop admitted to me a couple of years ago that there are fewer and fewer officers capable of reading the tachographs that measure how long a lorry has been on the move for.

Whenever I travel in America I'm impressed by the number of truck inspection points on the Interstate Highways, and how many of them are open on a typical journey.

There's a lorry weighbridge run by VOSA, the agency charged with maintaining standards, about five miles from where I live. In seven years of passing it regularly, I've seen it open once.

So thanks to the Commons Transport Committee for pointing out the blindingly obvious, but in the meantime I'll carry on giving foreign-registered wagons a wide berth.

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TegTypeR August 25, 2009 11:21 AM

I followed a foreign registered (not sure where from) truck the other day, tanking along at around 70mph.  I was under the impression all trucks from Europe were limited to 56mph?

Why aren't they being checked at the ports when they arrive in the country.  This a least would be less costly than having testing stations dotted around the country.

chandrew August 25, 2009 11:36 AM

Don't you think that it's exactly the same situation here where pretty much everything you say about foreign lorries applies to British lorries (and drivers) when they get onto the continent? It's really easy to get into a blame game and I can assure you British drivers on the continent are no saints.

Maybe the MPs need to concentation not on a crack-down on foreign motorists but sorting out a proper transport infrastructure so large quantities of freight can be moved by rail (like happens in much of the rest of Europe).  Of course it's much easier for an MP to blame a foreigner than admit that there has been massive underdevelopment in the UK transport infrastructure.

Peter Cavellini August 25, 2009 11:48 AM

AND about time too!!, i have a friend who along with their family of three were side swiped of the motorway and roll over and crashed into a tree, luckily they all survived,one child is still traumatised still after three years, nightmares, you know what others problems go with this, TEG-TYPE-R has the right idea check them all at all points of entry, afterall they do it on the continent.And if speed limiters are mandatory here,why as a member of the EU do other member countries not follow suit, and if not a menber of the EU and they fail testing the vehicle or the driver doesn't come up to standard, send them home, that'll send a message to the companys and cost them a lot of lost revenue.

Davyod August 25, 2009 12:10 PM

chandrew, very well said.

Tegtyper, that would defeat the whole point of the EU/single market - the unrestricted movement of people and goods. which do you want, checks or unhindered trade?

Trucks from the Continent are on UK roads also because UK government taxes fuel so much. A foreign trucker can save 20 cents per litre(equivalent €1.22/liter in UK versus €1.02 per average in Europe) or €200 per 1,000 litres fillup before coming to Great Britain. From next week fuel duty in UK goes up 2 pence/litre to 56p. From end of this year VAT goes to 17.5%. Then a foreign trucker can undercut a UK trucker by €250/£200 per fillup. It's simple maths. You either have the revenue from the fuel duty and VAT for your government or you have a domestic haulage industry. your choice.

dan111 August 25, 2009 12:37 PM

I was side-swiped by a foreign lorry in June of last year. Luckily myself

and my passenger were ok. The lorry in question didn't even stop and

I reckon he didn't even know he'd caused an accident. The Police said

hardly a day goes by on their patch without this sort of incident.

DelgadosKnee August 25, 2009 12:44 PM

Given that lorries are theoretically limited to 56, I see no reason at all why they should be in anything other than the slow lane.  Perhaps we could remove the risk of sideswiping by simply ruling that they must stay in that lane no matter what.  Sure the hauliers would moan and say that they would get stuck behind slower moving traffic, but frankly tough.

billybobthethird August 25, 2009 1:05 PM

The problem would be massively reduced overnight if the government taxed incoming trucks for the fuel they have in their tanks.  They would then lose their advantage over UK trucks.

I agree with the constant accidents.  I used to come home from the office every day and at the same roundabout off the motorway once or twice a week there would be a foreign truck with hazards on and some poor sod standing next to his freshly side-swiped car.

Not to mention the dubious driving and speeding I've seen.  I think UK truckers on the whole are quite well behaved.

FriendlyFisherman August 25, 2009 1:18 PM

My Dad was side swiped off the motorway by a foreign lorry a few years back and I have had a few close calls.  You can avoid it sometimes by being extra observant, if you see them closing on another vehicle, assume they will pull out and don't be there! I know that's not always possible.  I would also make it an offence for a car to travel on the motorway, in normal driving conditions at less than 56mph! I know this would not be popular and hard to police, but so often a truck has to pull out because some old duffer is doing 50mph or less on the motorway.

theonlydt August 25, 2009 1:21 PM

It's interesting - there was a report saying 50% of foreign registered trucks on UK roads may have serious faults or be unroadworthy. This was an extrapolation from a sample. Everyone was up in arms - "ban them from the roads" etc. Hidden away in the report was that 38% of the UK lorries sampled also had major faults or were unroadworthy.

What we need is VOSA to grow a pair and be given the powers to impound dangerous vehicles, or impound vehicles from hauliers that have previously had warnings. There must be requirements that all foreign lorries here (and all UK lorries going abroad) be equipped with blind spot mirrors (they're so easy to retrofit). Even just that one small measure would make a huge difference.

To the poster who suggested lorries stay in the inside lane - I couldn't agree more. I hate driving on roads like the M11 and a lorry pulls out on the 2 lane motorway to overtake up a hill - cars pile up behind with the entire outside lane slowing to a crawl. Makes my blood boil.

Splash n Dash August 25, 2009 1:24 PM

How about Britain joins the 21st century and change over to Km/h. That would solve one problem.

Then change to the driving on the right like the rest of Europe. This would solve problem number 2 with the added benefit of cheaper cars and more variants. And while you are at it, you could change to the Euro to make getting a bacon sandwich that little bit easier.

Hhhmmmm there seems to be a trend there...........

Richard H August 25, 2009 4:25 PM

Firstly, they should pay a tax everytime they leave the port on to the mainland

Then they can spend the money on enforcing the law

Richard H August 25, 2009 4:26 PM

Cghanging to KM/h would cause more problems than it solves and to change to LHD is about 50 years too late

adam2853 August 25, 2009 4:49 PM

Maybe the UKs terrible roads which are also much narrower than, for example, french, belgian, italian, austrian, german and most swiss motorways are also to blame.

Or are we brits simply the victims of evil foreigners again?

highland tourer August 25, 2009 4:53 PM

Can't we do something like the Germans?  All lorries are banned from Sunday driving on Autobahns.  All lorries are also required to remain in the slow lane and not overtake.  

Germany has a speed limit of 80km/h (that's just under 50mph) for ALL lorries/trucks on autobahns- the car speed limit is 130km/h which ensures that the cars travel swiftly in the 2nd or 3rd lane and are also more aware of lane discipline (due to the speed differences of traffic on  lane 1 compared to lane 2 and 3).

I can remember several times when I was driving my first car at the national limit being overtaken by lorries which must have been doing 80-90 mph.  There is also the issue of driver aggrevation when lorries attempt to overtake each other on two lane only motorways (which accounts for nearly all of the motorways in Scotland).  

The issue of pan-european speed limits and safety is something that the EU could actually help with!!  Bring in a pan-european speed limit for lorries (electronic limiter) and establish a maximum working time directive for pan-european lorry drivers.  The EU could also standardise car safety equipment (e.g. all drivers should carry a fire extinguiser, reflective jacket, headlamp converters (when travelling to drive on the "wrong side of the road") and leave certain equipment (snow chains, specialist winter tyres, etc) as compulary for geographically specific locations at specific times of the year.  

If Europe is supposed to be an area of economic free trade, get some laws and rules created so that the trade can flow freely and transparently without so many issues of misunderstanding and non-compliance to individual country rules and just have european rules.  

theonlydt August 25, 2009 6:21 PM

I like most of the previous post - but do you remember the furore when they tried to standardise lorry driver hours? The French said 35. We said 40something. Drivers wanted 50something. Like there'd ever be consensus!

brinardi August 25, 2009 8:49 PM

One of the most basic issues with foreign lorries appears to be them simply not being able to see traffic with their LHD mirror set up when pulling out or joining motorways from a slip-road.

Surely in this day and age some kind of double-sided mirror set up should be compulsory on all trucks sold...

This has become more of an issue as British companies who abide by the law have been rendered uncompetitive compared to foreign haulage firms using LHD vehicles thus there are more and more LHD HGVs on our roads carrying loads which UK hauliers would previously have handled.

BriMarsh August 25, 2009 11:42 PM

I love this thread; it's like the Daily Mail at Autocar.  Realistically, isn't it about time the UK drove on the right?

highland tourer August 26, 2009 12:02 AM

In this age of modern technology, (radar cruise control, sat nav, etc) surely there can be technological solutions to Euro truckers driving over here in the UK (and vice versa).  

For years, Toyota has had a button on the Yaris dashboard which enables the (digital) instrument panel to display either mph or km/h.  There was a post re Audi having an option in their in-car entertainment system for re-adjusting the headlight perameters for either driving on the left or right.  Various manufacturers also have settings for nearside mirrors to automatically lower when reversing, so surely something similar could be done for truckers when (whether european or UK based) they drive on the "wrong side of the road", so that they could have mirrors effectively set up or reconfigured for "wrong-side" driving.  

Walking August 26, 2009 4:27 AM

Technically the steering wheels and other controls are electronic now so could move depending on the side of the road.  I think this was shown a few years ago on a honda electric car.  However current EU law still requires a physical connection between steering wheel and wheels.  So rightly or wrongly this technical change can't be fully utilised.  I have no evidence on whether the law is justified.

Chris576 August 26, 2009 8:18 AM

This is a pathetic comment and not worthy of Autocar. Like someone said it sounds like the Daily Mail. "They come here driving their lorries...." The last thing our roads need is more jobsworths enforcing more powers. The right to freedom of movement in the EU is important to all of us and we don't need any more erosion in it to suit petty xenophobes.

VDG.CZ August 26, 2009 9:01 AM

Chris576 so right i have add something. By foreign lorries mike means French, Belgium, Holland, Spanish or which ones? Cause i hardly believe that trucks from far east europe are going onto the islands. We, in Czech rep. ,on crossroad of all roads, know how does it look like when you meet trucks from Greece, Turkey, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria, transporting Godknowswhat. I don´t believe Mike has ever met one of these in England.  He would *** his pants watching a 30year old Kamaz´s  passing them by on highway for 10 minutes(one is going 83.5km/h the second 83.9). Stay cool Mike this is just another contribution that is far to interesting.        

muddydrover August 26, 2009 12:14 PM

The problem is more complex than bad foreign lorry drivers and badly maintained vehicles. This country has some of the worst drivers on the road, driving standards in the UK are woeful. No idea of lane discipline whatsoever, no 360 degree awareness of what's going on, no looking ahead for hazards, no use of mirror or signal, no eye contact, to name a few. Yes, we need a visible motorway police patrol at frequent intervals. lorries need to be checked frequently at weighbridges like in Canada, where VOSA officials can do spot checks

fillthepotholesplease August 26, 2009 1:26 PM

While I agree that foreign hauliers could do more to help the situation.  I still believe there are alot of motorists that do not take into account blind spots.  Either on their own vehicles or anyone elses, including motorbikes and lorries.  The number of times I see cars sitting alongside lorries on a motorway and quite obviously sitting in the blindspot.  If its an overtake, get on with it and dont float alongside something thats obviously gonna hurt if it pulls out.  If its not an overtake...if you cant see the drivers face in any of his mirrors he isnt going to be able to see you.  Drop back until the carriageway is clearer to overtake.  And if there is any doubt he might not have seen you move out to overtake.  Is there any problem with alerting his attention in the correct manner by flashing the main beam?  I believe we can all help each other out a little more, rather than just blaming the individual.  I would imagine its difficult enough for any lorry driver foreign or not on english roads.  

Although I wish that the some HGV drivers would slow down more on country roads and lanes.  Too many times I see them on the verge of drifting the trailer across the centre lines...at me in my car!!  Now that is scary.

fillthepotholesplease August 26, 2009 1:27 PM

While I agree that foreign hauliers could do more to help the situation.  I still believe there are alot of motorists that do not take into account blind spots.  Either on their own vehicles or anyone elses, including motorbikes and lorries.  The number of times I see cars sitting alongside lorries on a motorway and quite obviously sitting in the blindspot.  If its an overtake, get on with it and dont float alongside something thats obviously gonna hurt if it pulls out.  If its not an overtake...if you cant see the drivers face in any of his mirrors he isnt going to be able to see you.  Drop back until the carriageway is clearer to overtake.  And if there is any doubt he might not have seen you move out to overtake.  Is there any problem with alerting his attention in the correct manner by flashing the main beam?  I believe we can all help each other out a little more, rather than just blaming the individual.  I would imagine its difficult enough for any lorry driver foreign or not on english roads.  

Although I wish that the some HGV drivers would slow down more on country roads and lanes.  Too many times I see them on the verge of drifting the trailer across the centre lines...at me in my car!!  Now that is scary.

theop August 26, 2009 7:59 PM

I never understood why trucks are allowed on the roads all the time foreign or not!

There should be a paneuropean law that only allows urban truck traffic between 9pm and 7am. End of story. Yes you will need 3 days to go to Italy from here, not 1. Tough.

harvemac September 12, 2009 2:03 PM

I was hit on the M6 on Wed nesday by a Romanian driver ,the police gave me an incident number ,didn't bother to come and see me and when i ophoned them up they had no record of the drivers details ,even though the policeman at the scene took them ,had it been a Uk driver they would have been arrested and there taco's removed ,incidently i consider myself extremely lucky to be alive ,my car is written off and i have back injuries.

harvemac September 12, 2009 2:08 PM

Forgot to mention this vehicle was a HGV , he didn't appear to have noticed i was on the road .

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