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Jun 04 2009

What 'bikers could teach learner drivers

Matt Saunders
The subject of the sub-standard driving that so frequently displays itself on British roads is one that us users of Autocar.co.uk love to discuss. I’m wondering if I can tempt you all to discuss it again. But I’m not just picking a likely topic that’ll make everyone wade in; I’ve got a practical suggestion to improve things that could, I think, make life better for all of us.

Why not make the first steps you go through to actually get your driving licence more like those you take in preparing for riding a motorbike? That’s what I’m wondering after spending last Sunday fizzing around the rural lanes of Warwickshire doing my CBT.



Getting the legal right to ride a motorbike isn’t quite as simple applying for a ‘provisional’, waiting to turn 17, and then signing one of your parents up for a white knuckle ride every time you want to venture out. Everyone who wants to ride does a day-long course of Compulsory Basic Training that ensures they’re up to a minimum standard before they’re allowed to get their motors running. So to speak.

The day focuses on theory and off-road bike control in the morning, and then practical road riding in the afternoon. You cover the importance of preparation, having the right safety kit, good clutch control, good observation, emergency stops, good road positioning, good anticipation – the lot. And it’s training not a test, so there’s no pressure: if you’re not up-to-standard by the end of the day, they just invite you back for another go.

By the end of my day, I’d had a blast on a little Honda CB125, and become not just a better rider but a better road user. I reckon you could easily construct an argument that every driver should do the course, whether they’re interested in riding or not. There are an increasing number of motorbike riders on the road, after all, and learning to be a good one makes you acutely aware of how you should drive to allow for them.

Having passed the CBT, I’ll be able to develop my riding at my own pace for the next two years. I’m armed with skills that already make me safe on the road, and from now on I don’t have to learn under the scrutiny of a paid-by-the-hour instructor or a tutting parent. Until I pass my full test I won’t be able to carry a pillion passenger, I won’t be able to ride a bike with more than about 17 horsepower, and I’ll have to wear L plates. And that’ll stop me getting too carried away too soon.

Now imagine an equivalent course for beginner drivers that weeded out all of those who really shouldn’t be behind the wheel before they even start. Imagine that it qualified you to drive a car with no more 1.2-litres of engine capacity, with no passengers other than one fully licensed adult or instructor, and for no more than, say, 5000 miles a year. Imagine that, after two years, you must either pass a more rigorous full driving test or take the beginner’s course all over again. You could even make qualified drivers take it once every few years as a refresher to correct bad habits, and use it to stop the elderly driving on into oblivious decrepitude. How can that not be a good idea?

There’s one hole in my logic, of course; if the way that motorbike riders are trained is so great, why are there so many apparently dangerous ones out there? And I can’t answer that yet. I suspect that it’s only the silly riders you really notice; the competent and safe simply melt into the background.

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About Matt Saunders

Was a news boy, web reporter and general staff dogs body before two stints as Autocar’s features editor. Now holds enviable status as a road tester for the magazine that invented the format, and is developing a hankering for a fast motorbike.

Comments

Orangewheels June 4, 2009 12:38 PM

A year of riding around at 30mph on a 50cc Yamaha FS1E at 16 gave me vastly more experience and appreciation of road rules than anything a car driver could experience. When you are the smallest most vunerable thing on the road you really pay attention to your surroundings.

Timberwolf June 4, 2009 12:42 PM

I seem to recall a point that while new riders made the odd mistake, the weight of serious bike casualties came from older, "born again" bikers who'd received their entitlement to ride many years ago and haven't been on a bike in decades.

So there is a lesson to learn from bikers - that of skill attrition.  Drivers get into bad habits and then over time believe these bad habits are the "right" way to drive.  The DSA might give you the green light to drive now, but what's to say you'll still be able to attain the same standard in 2019, 2039, 2059?

Really we need to start focusing on existing drivers.  I was thinking this the other day, driving along - as far as I know, I was doing an okay job behind the wheel, but was I, really?  Positive comments from passengers aside, the only way to know would be to take an informal drive with a driving instructor/examiner.

Personally, I think this would be an excellent compromise between compulsory re-tests (a volume the DSA centres simply cannot cope with) and the system of absolutely nothing we have now.  Think of it as perhaps a, say, five-yearly "driver MoT" - only the truly dangerous need be referred for re-testing; most rational folk would surely react reasonably to being given a certificate saying, "PASSED: generally safe, occasionally drives too close behind other cars", right?

Andy_Cowe June 4, 2009 1:56 PM

Orangewheels comments touch on one reason why driving standards are so low. Drivers don't feel vulnerable in their 5 star NCAP cars, so don't pay any attention.

And the 5 yearly driver MoT is something we really should have. Testers could be licenced for the the job, like MoT testers currently are.

Peter Cavellini June 4, 2009 2:14 PM

Maybe passing a test to drive a car should be more rigorous,but how could you do this without dedicated areas like motor cyclists can do,an area free from traffic, an army of instructors in or outside the car observing the students,and then of course its down to the instructor if he thinks your ready.Then there's the practical,some people have problems at this point,can drive the car but can't do the theory,and also its the cost to learn,i don't know what it costs to do bike lessons,but you need a minimum of fifty hours brfore you can sit a test ,assuming you passed the theory,and at an average of twenty pounds a lesson its a lot of money, then add test day+car.No, i don't think learning biker skills would help or save lives,and like you said you do also get loonies on bikes too!

tommallett June 4, 2009 2:21 PM

50 hours behind the weel before a test? Not sure it was like that 6 years ago when i passed my test!

Dan McNeil June 4, 2009 2:52 PM

Peter C:  "Then there's the practical,some people have problems at this point,can drive the car but can't do the theory,and also its the cost to learn"

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Tough.  If they can't hack it or afford it, then they don't drive.  Driving is a privilege, not a right.  

Quattro369 June 4, 2009 6:04 PM

I started driving in 1998 and considered myself to be a pretty good driver but even my friends commented on how much my driving had improved (and become safer) since I passed my full motorcycle test in 2004. You become so much more aware of hazards and predicting other drivers actions.

Audi Tastic June 4, 2009 6:24 PM

All good points, but look at Italy - virtually every 15 yr old has a moped for a year or two, and as a nation they are shocking drivers!

pSynrg June 4, 2009 7:07 PM

Hmmm, and cyclists could teach everyone a thing or two about defensive road use.

I'm all three and regularly - cycle, bike & car. I'm at my most alert self-powered and just a tadge below that when theirs an engine involved.

You simply learn to read driver behaviour more intuitively at the relatively slow pace of a push bike.

Oh and I totally agree with Dan above, it is a privilege not a right!

oaffie June 4, 2009 9:49 PM

I agree.  I ride a bike and it just makes you so much more aware of what's around you, mainly because you are so much more vulnerable.  I've been saying this since I did my bike test 5 years ago.

It's not all fool proof though - if you pass via the direct access route (if you're over 21) you can go out minutes after passing your test, hand over £9k and be doing as near as makes no difference 190mph on a 1000cc Supersports bike that you would need a Veyron to keep up with from 0-150mph.   Buy second hand and you can be going almost as fast for a couple of grand.

hohum June 4, 2009 10:59 PM

Agree. I've been riding motorcycles for 24 years and often have comments from passengers asking why I do a lifesaver check. It's just habit from the bike.

My wife (also rides a motorcycle) and I were discussing this the other day and thought it a good idea to include a variety of vehicles for experience of their pros and cons. This could even include HGV's so that you get an idea of their limited rear view and poor braking. Obviously this could not happen on the road....

As for bad bikers, I reckon it's just the same as it is with bad car drivers. There are just some around who think they own the road or have a death wish (their own or ours).

sandys June 4, 2009 11:17 PM

Yup did a CBT last year myself and am riding around on a 125 to get some experience up, after doing my CBT I thought the same as the blogger that car drivers really need to do more, particularly more apparent when you experience some muppet on the road who appears to what to crush you on your bike due to lack of attention or ant road sense whatsoever.

I think you should retest every 2-5 years, covering ground like lane control for both motorway and roundabouts as well as hazard perception, so many people just don't seem to have a clue here, someone derided the Italian moped rider and how there driving turns out and whilst yes the Italians may disregard a lot of rules that the English stick too far too rigidly, from my time over there I have far greater respect for their driving, more aware of what's around them then most of the people I pass on the way to work.

selliott320 June 5, 2009 12:42 AM

We could learn a lot from bikers? like their total disregard for urban speed limits?

Anyway, they think they are "more aware" than car drivers? generally they are accelerating / travelling faster than the average car (due to vastly superior power to weight ratio) thus often catching the average car user by surprise. I am not excusing thisat all, but as bikes are only effective in a straight line i have often caught them up on twisty country lanes + Nurburgring etc(with significantly less PtW) and found them to be just as "unaware".

Some car drivers don't expect bikes to be there just as bikes sometimes don't expect a car to be there, its just that the average car is slower than the average bike so the former happens more than the latter BUT bikers arogantly think that they are perfect. Fast in a staight line is not fast when you can't brake or go round bends!!

TRAINING IS THE KEY, regardless of the mode of transport.

ThwartedEfforts June 5, 2009 8:24 AM

Holding bikers up as some sort of motoring nonpareil is pretty ignorant when yearly accident statistics show how two in every three accidents involving a motorcycle are the fault of the rider, not the driver.

In my home county, more than a third of those killed had owned their bike for less than three months, with almost two thirds owning the machine for less than a year. This dispels the myth that you magically become a better road user when you pass your bike test. You don't: you simply have an appreciation for what it feels like to be vulnerable, and it's only a minority who use that to make them wiser.

While I'll freely admit it was the growth of inattentive yummy mummies on phones in Range Rovers and Q7s that made me stop riding a few years back, it's still my fellow motorcyclists who have the biggest death wish - accident statistics bear that fact out. No, not all are idiots, just most of them - if you want to emulate their behaviour then I'll see you in the morgue.

sandys June 5, 2009 9:26 AM

I catch no one on my 125 (11bhp) at 22stone plus the bikes 150kgs my power to weight is appalling :D 0-60 of 5 mins.

NobbyUK June 5, 2009 10:59 AM

Passing my bike test (dodging German footie fans around Wembley during Euro 96) was the single best thing I could have done for my car skills - I'd seriously support all new car learners having to take their bike CBT.

There are still some bikers out there who perplex me, riding with no lights in matt black lid & leathers (you know who you are & which couriers you work for!) but that's nothing compared with the number of utterly unaware, inconsiderate and wilfully dangerous car & van drivers I see daily.

To be honest, I've rarely ridden since getting my full licence, and my only foray onto a track ended up in the scenery (inflicting a badly bruised ego) but my brain is now hardwired more like a biker's so I'm more aware of dangers and other road users. The more people we can get chipped up, the safer, quicker, less stressful and more fun every journey would be, whatever your mode of transport.

AverageBloke June 5, 2009 11:42 AM

Everyone could start out as the perfect driver, but overtime it natural to find shortcuts to doing things, how many driver of more than a couple of yearrs still pass the steering wheel through their hands?

The comment about driver bfeeling safe in the 5 star cars is compounded even more when you consider the driver aids - Active Cruise Control, Automatic Dimmin Lights, Automatic Windscreen wipers, lane detectors and sat nave - a driver doesn;'t even need to think now!!!

scrap June 5, 2009 11:56 AM

Great blog. Some details might need ironing out (I'd suggest a power/weight ratio might make more sense than a specific capacity limit) but this is definitely moving in the right direction.

theop June 5, 2009 1:22 PM

I think Andy called it right:

"Orangewheels comments touch on one reason why driving standards are so low. Drivers don't feel vulnerable in their 5 star NCAP cars, so don't pay any attention."

not just 5 star cars, just cars in general. In a modern car that is comfy, warm, nice, where all the controls are smooth and easy to operate, where one does not have to coordinate 20 different things at the same time (demisting, choking, gear matching, non hydraulic muscling around anything etc), it is very easy for general attention to drop off- similar to snoozing on the couch.

Bikers don't have that. Attention is key, or you get hurt (or die). Simple as this.

My daily runner is a BMW GS1200 bike. Riding it, I am a much better road user. More aware of anything, more committed, more impatient with useless fellow road users. Generally more awake.

In my wifes Audi diesel auto, scrolling about in congested London, driving is certainly not the top of the agenda. You have calls to make, arguments to stand for, drinks to drink, e mails to read, you are just too busy to foresee what the biker zig zagging in front of you could possibly do.  Fortunately for him though, he has seen what kind of busy plonker you are, so all is well...

I reckon the 50th percentile biker (ie bog standard average ability Joe) is a much better road user than the 5th percentile car driver (in an urban environment).

Uncle Mellow June 5, 2009 8:10 PM

Everyone needs to spend time riding a motorcycle before they start driving. It teaches you to read the road. Its 40 years since I rode a bike , but I still try to avoid putting the tyres over steel manhole covers and glossy-looking bits of tarmac. Only ever came off once , and at low speed , but it taught me all about loose chippings.

motoloco June 6, 2009 11:15 AM

Thwarted Efforts

" two in every three accidents involving a motorcycle are the fault of the rider, not the driver"?  I don't think so.  It's true that there are a worrying number of "bike only" accidents, but don't let the stupid minority who choose to ride with loud pipes and little awareness give the impression that all bikers are idiots and drivers are angels.  I've riden and driven most days since the mid 70s and firmly believe that ALL car drivers should have to ride before getting a car licence.  As has been stated before, the satisfaction from riding a bike is all about rider skill, nit just siting there while various computers mask your lack of ability.

KartKidChun June 7, 2009 3:19 AM

Just owning a Moped would help a bit to be honest with you Matt! Most simply put it helps build up road awareness when driving and so when it comes to owning a car your not just a git causing problems for other road users to deal with!

Brownout June 7, 2009 9:25 PM

I also sat my CBT (and full test) a few years back. I've never ridden a bike since but it hugely improved my awareness as a car driver, I would stongly recommend it. Can we please make it compulsory for ladies with big sunglasses before they're allowed to buy a large 4x4.

FR3000 June 7, 2009 11:20 PM

I was fairly handy behind the wheel, having done my advanced certificate in 2004 and having 11 years experience under my belt + track tuirion etc.  However I took my CBT in september and been riding a big bike for 3 months having got my full licence at the start of the year.

It has made a marked positive differnce to my driving I've also started to realise just how bad some cars drivers can be and makes me realise just how little in the way of observation most car drivers make.  

The simple fact is it takes far more skill to ride as smoothness and thinking a long way ahead are necessity.  It highlights how easy modern cars are to drive - you can just get away with far too much.

Heel and Toe June 8, 2009 4:58 AM

Having recently moved to the US, I have had to re-sit both my car and bike tests. What is interesting about the system here is that to renew your license you have to take a partial theory test each time. This requires some revision of the States Driver Handbook (Highway Code), but it does ensure you are up to date and conversant with traffic laws and driving techniques.

There is something to be said for 5 year licensing and for cross training of all road users.

And without doubt a good biker is a better driver

The Hermit June 8, 2009 9:08 AM

I always tell anyone who will listen that getting my car licence allowed me to use a blunt instrument on the open road, but that getting my bike licence taught me to drive.

When I am in a car I use the biking skills and levels of attention you need when you are on 2 wheels. Makes for a better time and smoother ride.

I'm slowly training my wife too.

And for those who haven't heard of it yet : www.corneringclinic.com where an expert rider spells out loud and clear (in short videos) what he is doing whilst riding. So much goes on that car drivers don't pay attention to.

muddydrover June 30, 2009 2:34 PM

I hold both a bike and a car licence and I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists. I drove a car and passed the Institutes test many years before I took the bike test. I found the experience eyeopening, I considered my standard of driving always to be consistent with being an advanced driver. How wrong I was, the awareness taught on my bike course was far and away more advanced then anything I had learned previously. I enjoyed every minute of learning and discussing aspects of biking. I now enploy everything I learned in my car driving. I can recommend to anyone the CBT and the direct access course to anyone.  

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