Mon
Apr 06 2009

Why 'RS' is better than 'M'

Andrew Frankel

I will not be the only motoring journalist able to recall conversations with senior BMW management in which we were told that that they’d never create an ‘M’ version of any of their SUVs.

I can even remember suggesting – not entirely seriously – that one reason for this might be the difficulties in calling a BMW an MX5. In fact the reason why M and X would never mix were simple: tall and heavy SUVs were inherently unsuited to the sporting aspirations of the ‘M’ brand and the need to equip them with large engines with low-end torque was at odds with the ‘M’ philosophy of comparatively small-capacity, high-revving engines.

Read more on the new BMW X6 M and X5 M



Now that all appears to have been set aside, should we be surprised? For some time Mercedes has proven less than shy about spraying the AMG badge all over the place, the only stated prerequisite being that its recipients must not have front-wheel drive. Four-wheel drive, however, is fine, as the ML63 AMG proves. And it is easy to see how, three or four years ago, the thought of cars to combat this and the Porsche Cayenne must have seemed like an excellent idea. I expect BMW is rather less warm about these cars now, but there’s not much it can do about it.

The question that interests me is which one of the German premium manufacturers now has the strongest sporting sub-brand. Is it BMW’s M, Mercedes’ AMG or could it, in fact, be the Audis made by its quattro GmbH subsidiary?

Thanks to the R8, and until AMG puts the SLS on sale this time next year, quattro is the only one of the three with its own, bespoke product and it is the only one that, so far, has resisted the temptation of turning its attention to an SUV.

Of course it may yet come to pass that Audi will launch an ‘RS’ version of the Q5 or, God help us, the Q7, but with the 6.0-litre, 500bhp, Q7 V12 TDI already on sale without an RS badge in sight, I doubt it. Instead Quattro GmbH’s next product will be the five-cylinder TT RS, whose on-paper specification has got me more excited than I ever thought possible of anything related to a TT.

Fast Audis always used to be greeted with a fair bit of derision round here, but no longer, and right now I’m looking forward to the next one rather more than I am the next M car. Who’d have thought that even 10 years ago?

Technorati Tags: , , , ,

Sign-in or register to add your comments

About Andrew Frankel

Talents are limited to "driving cars and writing English." In 19th century France he would, therefore, have been stuffed; as it is, Andrew's the perfect Autocar road test writer.

Comments

Allanp April 6, 2009 11:34 AM

well i quite agree with  

   "Fast Audis always used to be greeted with a fair bit of derision round here, but no longer, and right now I’m looking forward to the next one rather more than I am the next M car. Who’d have thought that even 10 years ago?"    

for years as a Audi Fan a flet you guys were somewhat down on the fast Audi's but now with the new breed its good to see them getting the praise the richly deserve roll on the RS3 thats surly going to be the best real world Hyper-Hatch/wee estate!

jer April 6, 2009 12:28 PM

That'll light the blue touch paper. I've also thought for while the increases in power and torque increase the usability of good 4wd applications that Audi specialises.

To me this a global marketing plan for BMW the answer is simple. BMW produce more X vehicals for the emerging/ed worlds new rich. We also sell them to the old world but it takes both to turn a healthy profit. To the enthusiast base we take some flack but offer them the 3 and 5 and after all we are here to make money.

Bangle did teach BMW to with fear lead and shape the market and in time if will follow. We might not like the idea but it's true.

jer April 6, 2009 12:29 PM

"Without fear" above

Audi Tastic April 6, 2009 12:39 PM

I think BMW's M Division are still as good as ever in churning out amazing engines, it's just that the raw material in the form of the base cars has got a lot worse recently, plus the pressure put on by the marketing Bods to match Mercedes can't help.

I also wonder what happened to Audi's policy of only 1 RS model at a time - is the RS6 to be discontinued before the TT RS  / RS3 / New RS4 / RS5 comes out?

Overdrive April 6, 2009 12:55 PM

Andrew Frankel concludes:

"...Fast Audis always used to be greeted with a fair bit of derision round here, but no longer, and right now I’m looking forward to the next one rather more than I am the next M car. Who’d have thought that even 10 years ago?"

Well, Andrew to answer your question I for one would; well, if not quite as long as 10 years then at least for some time.

And that is because going by your reviews of various BMWs over the past few years, in Autocar and the Sunday Times, it's pretty clear that with the sole exception of the 330d, you generally don't seem to have much time for BMWs. You have described nearly all BMW models as ugly, poor riding, noisy and even nothing special dynamically with cheapish interiors and found them to be them the inferior cars in nearly every comparison test you have conducted (losing out to Mercs, Fords, Audis, VW Phaetons among others). Why, just this past Sunday you pretty much dismissed the new Z4.

The question should be why anyone would NOT have thought that you look forward to driving fast Audis more than BMW’s M cars.

Lapps April 6, 2009 2:12 PM

Audi's RS Models SHOULD be good as they are the loss-leading Items this 'halo' Brand is built on.

If you buy an ordinary 318 / C 200 type car you get advanced engineering as used across the (respective) ranges. If you buy a bread and butter Audi you get a set of components cheap enough to be used in a Skoda, but the 'VW in a Frock' marketing campaign is used to get you thinking of R8s as you drive along.

I supose it shows that Audi's approach niggles me! At least when Toyota and Nissan decided to enter the 'premium' market they engineered new platforms to suit! Now both the IS and G37 are significently superior to the A4.

Allanp April 6, 2009 3:38 PM

Lapps

get real no Lesus or Infiniten is better than any car let alone an Audi

JacobE April 6, 2009 5:03 PM

I fail to see how these cars cannot be M-vehicles. Surely the point of an M is to be the best performing vehicle in its segment? An M5 isn't the ideal driving machine, but depending on who you ask, it is the ideal large family saloon from a performance viewpoint. I think these cars will be great. That's not saying they'd be my first choice, would likely prefer an M5 Touring if I had a dog.

Who cares about handling finesse in an SUV ? You buy these things for comfort and sheer accelerative force. Having tried an ML63 AMG and floored it from the lights, I have to say it puts a smile on your face. I think these cars are aimed squarely at people who really do not care about the economic climate, or whether they scare people on the motorway, they just want a faster version of an already good car.

The Apprentice April 6, 2009 5:17 PM

why not? The M designation sold its soul a long time ago, we have plenty of slightly sad M-Power 520d drivers in the fleet. Its one step up from a Halfords Max Power job. Don't Audi do badge and bling 2.0tdi pretender specials too come to think of it?

Dan McNeil April 6, 2009 7:58 PM

JacobE:  "I think these cars are aimed squarely at people who really do not care about the economic climate, or whether they scare people on the motorway, they just want a faster version of an already good car."

--------------

Indeed.

And there's a word for such people.  That word begins with 'c', ends with 'k' and has the letters 'o' and 'c' in-between.  In that order.

Dan McNeil April 6, 2009 8:02 PM

When I read the title of this article, I thought RS meant Ford.  For surely the RS Ford (Focus) is now the definitive German performance sub-brand, now that the BMW M sub-brand has finally sold its soul to chavdom.   The ultimate driving machine?  I think not.

go_coop April 6, 2009 8:45 PM

Actually, Audi would make an RS SUV only if they were allowed to. A Q7 RS would be utterly insane, but people would buy it, just for the heck of it. And that's the problem here. You see, being a subsidiary of Volkswagen, Audi's decisions are pretty much limited. An Q7 RS would be a threat to Cayenne S, and since Porsche has a major stake in the Volkswagen group, why on earth would they risk sales of their own (also quite useless) model?

There is also one more and perhaps even important example. VW Golf and Audi A3 (interior plastic and styling aside) are pretty much the same thing - and both are still based on the 2003 platform. But somehow, Golf VI is marketed as a new model (although it's just a detailed facelift) and the A3 just bears the name "facelift".

Oh, and the RS badge is so exclusive that even Skoda uses it.

theop April 6, 2009 8:58 PM

Overdrive:You have described nearly all BMW models as ugly, poor riding, noisy and even nothing special dynamically with cheapish interiors and found them to be them the inferior cars in nearly every comparison test you have conducted

Thats because they are... Frankel is right... There is no handsome or well riding vehicle from bmw currently on sale today... On the chase for sportiness and "feel" they ve cocked up the ride over the past 10 years and Bangle has cocked up the looks. Latest Z4 and 3 series coupes are excepted in the looks department.

Peter Cavellini April 6, 2009 9:44 PM

Come on! who are they trying to kid, BMW would put an "M" badge on a shopping trolley if there was a market, the "ultimate driving machine" bast selling statement on the planet millions round the world trust it, but like trust responsability goes with it , so why is it they can' make servicing reasonable, maybe in the south you don't cough at over a £100 brake fluid change, but go and price the stuff and see how much your paying for that nice latte your sipping on! and that just for starters!

martinj April 7, 2009 8:55 AM

- re:Lapps: Infiniti don't have unique platforms, they're just Nissans underneath (look at the American market SUVs, and the Gs are just Fairladys/ies - 350Zs).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

- re:Dan McNeil: how does Ford's RS qualify as "German"?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

quattro GmbH FTW!

BMW were always the ones going on about pushing a car being better than pulling (and, to their credit, even the 1 is rwd), but it seems they're less worried about the principles and ideals of M-Division.

It doesn't seem like a decision made by the sporting sub-brand, but more an attempt by upper management to try and grab a few Cayenne sales.

Ms also used to be subtle. Now they're recognisable a mile off, even next to an M-sport model. That's not the way they set out to be, is it?

Admittedly, Audi are doing the same thing. Between the B5 and B7 RS4s, any Audi could have ben hiding any engine... pulling up behind two bog-standard A6s only to notice two oval tailpipes hiding under the bumper of one was something of an event, it was almost exciting. Now you'd struggle to confisuse my mum as to which had a Lamborghini engine and which was diesel.

timmmmy April 8, 2009 1:07 PM

hi im Tim and im new to this as its my first post

but I just wanted to say that I think the way forward

for fast BMW'S is to update their already excellent (in every respect) 3 litre twin turbo petrol and diesel?just putting it out there!!

timmmmy April 8, 2009 1:07 PM

hi im Tim and im new to this as its my first post

but I just wanted to say that I think the way forward

for fast BMW'S is to update their already excellent (in every respect) 3 litre twin turbo petrol and diesel?just putting it out there!!

All about Autocar

Newsfeeds

Subscribe to our news with our RSS feeds

Advertise

To advertise with Autocar contact us

Buy our magazines

Discover our titles at themagazineshop.com

Autocar latest issue - cover 8.2.12

NEW ISSUE OUT NOW

FAST, EASY & SECURE
SUBSCRIBE NOW>>