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Jan 29 2009

Clarkson has it wrong

Steve Sutcliffe

Most of the time, most of Jeremy Clarkson’s jokes are very very funny indeed.

140606mph Which is why so many of us tune in and enjoy what happens on BBC 2 at eight o'clock on a Sunday night. It’s also why he remains one of the sharpest, most amusing column writers of the era.

But I’m fed up with him sticking the knife into soft targets, then turning round and asking us not to shoot the messenger because the poor old messenger is only doing his job.

I’m thinking specifically about the kickings he’s administered recently to the Tesla Roadster and Ford Ka, both of which we’ve driven recently and neither of which are anything like as bad as JC has suggested.

His Ford Ka spanking in this week’s Sunday times is less irritating because Ford will get over it, but the outright slagging he dished out to the Tesla a week or two back was far more annoying. And potentially far more damaging.

356x236Tesla2-wClarkson could actually have done enough to single-handedly put Tesla out of business with what he said and wrote about the Roadster, that’s how much power he wields. And that really would be rip-roaringly hilarious, wouldn’t it?

I mean I’d fall about laughing until my sides burst open if Tesla went bump, having spent £120 million developing what is potentially one of the most intriguing sports cars of the last 20 years JUST BECAUSE JEREMY DIDN’T LIKE IT.

Or do you think I’m wrong? Do you, in fact, think Clarkson should be allowed to say absolutely anything he likes in the name of entertainment, and screw the consequences, even if he is sometimes well wide of the mark with his judgements?

 

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About Steve Sutcliffe

Autocar's finest driver and most experienced road tester. Raced TVRs for three years; drove Honda's F1 car and set competitive times at Silverstone. Says he "likes cars, and likes other people who like cars".

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The Colonel January 29, 2009 5:54 PM

By "a week or two back" are you referring to the TG programme, or something else?  I ask, because the TG programme was before Christmas, more than a week or two back...if it's something else, any chance of a pointer?

theonlydt January 29, 2009 6:05 PM

I disagree with the Tesla - I think he was very fair and pointed out the advantages of the car as well the flaws. Both of the cars to Topgear genuinely did break down. He mentioned that the Tesla was fun, but not as fun as an Elise - sounds pretty fair to me.

The kicking he gave to the Ford Ka was out of proportion, but I can understand partly why he did it. Instead of making a genuinely different and interesting car like they did first time round Ford just platform shared, making a car that's uglier than the one it's related to, but shares most of the faults. Why not cut down the chassis of the new fiesta as they did with the old ka? At least then it's capable of taking Ford engines and it'd probably be a much better chassis.

Clarkson gives very strong opinions because he can. Very few people can give a car a kicking as he can - as otherwise they'll be banned from testing their cars. Try that on Clarkson and they'll be rightly ridiculed. I wouldn't buy, or avoid, a car just because of a Clarkson article, but you know you're at least getting his version of the truth - rather than something toned down not to upset people. Also, at the end of the day he loves proper engineering. The Ka is not proper, innovative engineering, but is a cost saving exercise that may have gone wrong

TegTypeR January 29, 2009 6:08 PM

It is always going to be a fine line for Clarkson.  However, I think you are being a bit over dramatic stating that he could have taken down Tesla single handedly.  Yes I appreciate that TG is now an international program, but you are primarily talking about a show tailored to the UK market.

Anyone who watches it knows a lot of what is said is over dramatised for entertainment purposes.  So, from that point of view, yes, he should be allowed to continue as he is.

The paper article however is a different matter.  Again most people that read it know about his ability to ham stuff up, but it is serving a different, slightly more impressionable market.  Here perhaps, he should be slightly more reserved in his comment.  

Lotus Man January 29, 2009 6:15 PM

You have done exactly what you shouldn't of, given Clarkson more publicity.  

He is entitled to his opinion and if anyone tried to shut him up, then this World would be a worse off place.

I drive a Porsche Cayman S, which I only test drove because Autocar said it was a fantastic handling car...(I used to drive a Lotus so this was big news for me)  I drove it and you were right - it's fantastic!!  So I bought it.  

If you're lucky enough to have £90k or whatever it is the Tesla costs this afternoon, try it...if we listened to someones bad experiences on holiday, would we therefore decide to stay at home all the time? NO!

Clarkson called the Cayman a "Cockster", this coming from a man who drives a Volvo.  I rest my case

So don't give the man the importance he so craves and if you like the look of something - try it, but leave Clarkson alone on his Island....!!

MartyB59 January 29, 2009 6:21 PM

The Tesla is important and exiting - the headline figures certainly got my attention. But it's not really there as far as development goes is it? In fact the reality is disappointing.  Use that much vaunted performance and the range just isn't good enough. Clarkson was right to provide the counterpoint to the hype.

And that's apart from any censorship / free speach type arguments!

Honest Paul January 29, 2009 6:33 PM

I'm with you on this one Steve.

Clarksons formulaic gushing praise followed by the big 'BUT' may be entertaining but it smacks of 'look how funny I am' arrogance regardless of the consequences.

It's become predictable and is losing its bite.

To those who disagree perhaps you should invite the big man round to kick the absolute guts out of your place of work and have the inevitable tirade broadcast to millions - your P45 will be in the post.

This guy wealds power and on the whole the nation listens. Fair comment does not make great TV. Dramatic lambasting does.

horseandcart January 29, 2009 6:34 PM

Clarkson's heavily invested in hydrogen production and takes every opportunity to promote fuel cell vehicles as the future of personal transport and likewise 'dis' any competing technology like Tesla which may threaten it.

Autocar staffers have had a whip-round and bet the farm on Tesla as part of their pension plans, which may explain the hyper-sensitivity to any less than glowing reports on Tesla.

- equally possible explanations, and equally unlikely. Don't take too seriously.

MrTrilby January 29, 2009 6:49 PM

Hear hear Steve!

Whilst I generally find Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear very amusing and entertaining, I do think there is a fine line between entertaining and lying or misleading. Given that the programme is screened on a premier BBC channel, I also think they have a certain responsibility to their audience to at least be honest and not simply promote personal agendas.

theonlydt January 29, 2009 6:50 PM

Two autocar blogs on the Tesla within about an hour... did they have a chat over lunch? I honestly don't think Clarkson has a thing against Tesla, despite the fact that he's pretty ignorant when it comes to lifecycle analysis of environmental impact. He finds the power from such a small motor amazing - yet he finds a fuel cell more amazing as it's light, unlike batteries and has a refueling time + infrastructure similar to what we have now. He has not, however, made the point that Hydrogen needs electricity to produce it, producing the same emissions as electricity production for your Tesla. Until of course they change the energy mix for electricity production....

Orangewheels January 29, 2009 6:54 PM

I tend to take anything on Top gear as its intended - with a very large pinch of salt, its a scripted comedy show, and one of the best the BBC makes, but for actual car advice...  Unfortunately I know people who do take it seriously and make purchasing decisions around it, and it will still leave a general impression in your mind long afterwards.

What tends to be taken more seriously is Jezza's weekly Sunday Times column - writing in a respectable tome like the Times automatically implies more weight, but here, whilst he does go into more detail in general, Clarkson will still use 90% of his column inches to prattle on amusingly about the state of the economy or the war in Iraq, and finish off in the last paragraph by explaining how his anecdote happens to apply to the car he's reviewing.

The Tesla article was rather scathing, but probably less scathing than the comments made by Teslas own boss admitting he was surprised by the cars own unit production costs, as printed by your good selves.

I can't imagine Jeremy Clarkson outright lying, especially on the BBC where they currently hold regular witch hunts for any falsehoods uttered by its staff. His impressions may have been misleading though, and if the car blew a fuse I'm sure it did blow a fuse, but making a song and dance about it in the name of comedy, and to highlight their own proclamation that hydrogen was the way forwards was Clarksons choice, as it suited the format of the show. Journalists print the story they want to tell, at an angle their viewers will buy, not the whole truth.

It may have further implications for the company, whom I feel are doing good work and need all the praise they can get. Companies know the level of international scrutiny their product will be placed under if it gets onto Top Gear, and some can be rather naive in assuming they will get a good review for lending what in their eyes is an early development product and they are doing the show a favour in seeing it first, for it then to be ripped apart - the Caparo springs to mind.

If Tesla checked, double and triple checked the car before handing it over, and something went wrong, the public will rightly assume that this is the same standard of car that they would buy, and there wouldn't be a Tesla engineer on hand to change a fuse or lend a 2nd car if you popped out on a dark night and broke down somewhere, unless it is stated that this wasn't the finished product, which as far as I know, it was a press fleet production model, rather than a development car.

Anyway, lets have a full test of the Tesla on this website, right some more of JC's wrongs, and a nice feature length video of you testing it on autocar tv so we can all see how quiet and fast it is, or I may have to go back and watch the one that Monkey made over on the dark side...

The Colonel January 29, 2009 7:03 PM

"MrTrilby January 29, 2009 6:49 PM

Hear hear Steve!

Whilst I generally find Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear very amusing and entertaining, I do think there is a fine line between entertaining and lying or misleading."

Do you have any evidence that the Tesla feature on Top Gear, was lying or misleading?

Before you answer that, and wield the old news and not convincing reghardware link again, remember the levels of scrutiny that BBC programme makers are under now, following RossBrandSachsGate.

luckyman January 29, 2009 7:09 PM

Ok my first post here, and presumably the reason for Clarkson's tirade about hydrogen (and pubs) over the weekend. Actually that tirade has given me an idea though.

Like pretty much everyone here I can take his comments with a pinch of salt, my main concern was the '8yr olds' watching TG telly

www.claverton-energy.com/.../289

written for the Claverton Energy Research Group, because I thought it might bring a bit of sense to the situation. You tell me!

brakedust January 29, 2009 7:20 PM

Like Robert Parker with wine, Jeremy Clarkson is a market maker. People listen to him, because he has excellent knowledge and they trust his judgement. The Tesla will fail without Clarkson's condemnation. In the current climate, financial rather than environmental, cars north of £100,000 aren't selling at all. And Clarkson isn't alone in finding the Ford Ka flawed.

brakedust January 29, 2009 7:20 PM

Like Robert Parker with wine, Jeremy Clarkson is a market maker. People listen to him, because he has excellent knowledge and they trust his judgement. The Tesla will fail without Clarkson's condemnation. In the current climate, financial rather than environmental, cars north of £100,000 aren't selling at all. And Clarkson isn't alone in finding the Ford Ka flawed.

The Colonel January 29, 2009 7:21 PM

Nazisharks1 - nice try, you ***.

luckyman January 29, 2009 7:27 PM

Sheesh

Google 'Nazi Sharks' or it's available on the link here

www.claverton-energy.com/why-batteries-not-hydrogen-fuel-cells-are-the-future-of-private-motoring-geoerge-wallis.html

although I tend to be suspicious of file downloads myself

Cheers

pdmc January 29, 2009 7:54 PM

I happen to be of the opinion that Jeremy Clarkson does not actually have any agenda other than to review and give HIS opinion on motorcars.  I believe that Clarkson always gives credit where it is due and compliments manufacturers on attention to detail, incredible engineering, beautiful styling and technological innovation. But what seems to irk him more than anything is when corners are cut and something turns out, as a result, to be not quite as good as it ought to have been. Step forward, Tesla & Ford Ka MKII. The Tesla broke. Twice. On film. We do not expect this from our cars, especially not after a few minutes. As for the Ka, its dull compared to the original. I for one can completely understand his  mentality. As a motoring journalist, he is employed to review cars and give his findings in whichever publication or tv program he might happen to be working for. The opinion he gives is his... not anyone elses. Thats his job.  I would feel shortchanges if he were to recite a Ford Ka marketing spiel instead of giving his honest opinion on the thing. I don't see a problem with that. His reviews are still, for me, refreshing compared to the work of many motoring hacks who always seem to write the same gushing drivel which praises each manufacturer and model equally. I prefer to hear or read the comments of someone who actually has something to say about a car. Someone who is interested in cars.  Someone who is not afraid to tell it like it is.

FR3000 January 29, 2009 8:18 PM

I'm an avid fan of Top Gear and I think it's hilarious.  I don't necessarily agree with everything Jeremy, Richard and James say, I like to think I've got a spine and can make my own mind up.

Journalists and crtitics in all industries are but a few people compared to the rest of the world, they have an opinion and are entitled to it (The same way that you are Mr Sutcliffe, and have posted as such on here) but what they say isn't set in stone no matter how much experience they have.

Sounds like there are a few people out there who need to do less of listening to other people and more of thinking for themselves.

Douvain January 29, 2009 8:44 PM

On the Tesla I think that JC is right and the rest of the 'mainstream' media is wrong. That car has got far too easy a ride so far ... its a Lotus with a motor in it, some unproven batteries (which rely on a cooling system that draws a silly amount of power itself), unproven reliability and a ludicrous pricetag. Its also answering a question that nobody is asking, seeing as the cost of fuel in a typical £100000 supercar represents a small percentage of the ownership costs (3000 miles in a Ferrari is about £900 in petrol, £1000 in servicing and £10000 in depreciation). Even better, Tesla is actually making the ROadster for more than they are selling it for ... if ever a company deserved to go to the wall.

Range00 January 29, 2009 9:41 PM

Winston Churchill once said "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

While I far from agree with some of Clarkson's opinions; it is a breath of fresh air to hear someone express an alternative view, especially in our increasingly politically correct culture. I'll never forget his review of the first generation audi tt where he disagreed with the majority of other motoring journalists and criticized the TT's handling. After a few high profile crashes, Audi had to add a spoiler and other changes to improve the handling characteristics.

Clarkson didn't get it wrong 10 years ago.

Quattro369 January 29, 2009 9:45 PM

I wonder what he will make of the car which replaces his most hated car ever - the new Insignia.

Dan McNeil January 29, 2009 9:48 PM

Agree with Steve.  The problem with Clarkson here is that he is abusing his privileged position.  I'm not pro-Tesla and I'm not anti-Tesla.   But (and ignoring the fact that his comments could contribute towards the failure of that business), my real issue is that Clarkson cannot see beyond his rather large nose.  In evolutionary terms, Tesla may be an invisible footnote in history, or it may (even if it ultimately fails) be a precursor to something far more important (and not necessarily even another electric car).   It's this short-sighted "Me, Here, Now" attitude of Clarkson that really grates.

North January 29, 2009 10:03 PM

Personally I stopped watching top gear years ago....it stopped being about cars and was just about three people spending license payers cash on racing around in fast cars......its not a real motoring show....sure have the sports cars on...but have normal cars on also....how about showing the carbon footprint (birth to death) of cars....etc.....what is the true carbon footprint?

They have done nothing to raise the bar of real motoring coverage.......they have not approached the real issues....as for JC.....I think he does a pretty bad job...I think he is a bigot; if I had my way I would sack him tomorrow.....but I do not run the BBC (sorry Andrew Lloyd Webber TV)....I would sack Jonathan Ross also

lambo1 January 29, 2009 10:29 PM

Clarkson is right about the tesla and you are wrong- get used to it- The tesla is an irrelevance in the real world and is a silly mindset of a thunderbirds generation.

The only viable alternative is the fuel cell car which can be refueled pretty much in the same way as cars of today albeit with Hydrogen, Battery technology is hopelessly inadequate for the time being and they have been working on it forever- so dont hold your breath

MrTrilby January 29, 2009 10:50 PM

Colonel, what evidence do you have that the RegHardware link is not accurate? The entire Top Gear feature on the Tesla vs fuel cell car was not balanced or accurate - they delighted in pointing out every deficiency with the Tesla whilst ignoring all the downsides that come with using hydrogen fuel cells. Great entertainment, but poor reporting.

Clarksons opinions are funny, but they are just opinions, and I suspect there are a great number of people who watch it who then get swept along by the humour without stopping to really think about what they've just been brain washed with.

W124 January 29, 2009 11:10 PM

Clarkson has had to up the awfulness quotient since Hammond's Jet crash.  The current format of TG has been in strict decline since then.  You just cannot follow such a thing.  It's like going on stage after Metallica.  

Personally I find Clarkson a bit tiresome - he can be funny at times for sure but his heart isn't in it any more - he is merely motivated by getting a reaction from people like us.  

I hope Tesla succeed - There are many technical issues with Hydrogen powered fuel cells that are being glossed over.  An integrated public transport system would be better than internal combustion, hybrid, electric, or fuel cell but nobody seems to be taking it seriously as an alternative.  Madness.  

manicm January 29, 2009 11:33 PM

No Steve, Clarkson was absolutely right with the Tesla and you are plain wrong. When testing, ALL the cars broke down, not just one and Tesla themselves acknowledged that his review was fair. The American media were also forced to swallow their harsh words for JC when they realised what actually happened.

What do you write when a company sends you a dud car or dud soap?? No difference.

As for the Ka, it's not only JC: Autoexpress also rated the 500 over the Ka, saying while not as good to drive it was more desirable overall and not really more expensive either. Many are saying that for the price you may as well plump for 1k more and get a Fiesta.

The Colonel January 30, 2009 12:21 AM

Quote Mr Triby: "Colonel, what evidence do you have that the RegHardware link is not accurate?"

I'm not sure I did say it wasn't accurate.  Convincing was the word I actually used.  For example, it completely missed the quote from Rachel Konrad where she said "I thought it was a positive piece for Tesla by Top Gear standards. I personally like the show – it savages cars in a very entertaining way."  

She did however voice a concern that U.S. viewers might not get the gag...but then, they don't pay the licence fee, so stuff em.

It also states "The Top Gear segment gave the distinct impression that one of the test cars ran out of juice after about 55 miles of being caned around the show's test track".  Ummm, no it didn't.  I only watched the programme the once, and even I got the bit where Clarkson's voiceover stated "we worked out" that the car would only do 50 miles (at the level of push it was getting)...a figure not far adrift from other tests that yielded around 60 miles of driving at the limit.  That was followed by "And IF it does run out..."

Again, it states "If it turns out that the BBC - not to be too blunt about it - made that bit up, we may not have heard the last of this"...made up or not, Rachel Konrad said there was nothing for them to take up with the BBC and would love TG to run the cars again.  

Yes, pushing the car into the garage was a particularly blunt way of illustrating a broad point about electric cars, especially sports cars: "fun's over, now for the downtime", and quite harsh on Tesla, but it was a Tesla they were running, not a G-Wizz or a milk float.

So, I think Mr Sutcliffe can rest easy, that Tesla are not overly concerned by Top Gear's treatment, and I suspect upon reflection he is probably regretting some of the drama queenery writ above.

The problem for me is, starting at 89,000euros, I'm exactly the type of European customer Tesla should be aiming at, but Top Gear approval or no (and Clarkson found a lot to admire), this car just leaves me feeling cold.  Despite what Chas Hallett says, when I go out for a run on Saturday, I will use a tank of fuel, which will be in the range of 200 to 220miles...I suspect in a Tesla I'll be home in time for lunch.

Dan McNeil January 30, 2009 12:33 AM

"when I go out for a run on Saturday, I will use a tank of fuel, which will be in the range of 200 to 220miles...(The Colonel)"

200-220 miles on one tank?  What are you driving Colonel - a combine harvester?

MrTrilby January 30, 2009 7:46 AM

Colonel, I don't think anyone is disputing that Top Gear is liked or entertaining, and who pays the licence fee is not the issue that Steve raised. The issue raised is the question of whether it's right for Jeremy Clarkson to promote his opinions and agenda in such a graphic and politicised way on a supposedly apolitical and unbiased channel.

Whilst you might not give a stuff what the Americans think, they do watch Top Gear in significant numbers, and I suspect they will prove to be the Tesla (and other electric cars) biggest market. Incidentally they do help fund Top Gear because their networks have to buy the show from the BBC.

"pushing the car into the garage was a particularly blunt way of illustrating a broad point about electric cars"

Electric cars? Do other cars not run out of fuel? Does the Honda fuel cell car that they also tested on that programme not run out of hydrogen? So why single the Tesla out? Why not show the presenters pushing the Honda a few hundred miles to the nearest hydrogen station? Top Gear could have pointed out that there are only a handful of hydrogen stations across the globe, whereas almost every garage has a power socket. They could have pointed out that hydrogen gradually leaks from the tank whilst stood, presenting an explosion risk if you have enough of them in an underground car park. Sounds a bit worse than a flat battery. It has more than a hint that the Tesla having undermined the popular notion of electric cars being slow, forced Top Gear to play hard on the preconception of batteries going flat and stranding you. Rather desperate. And a dis-service when they could have pointed that cars like the Volt solve this issue by adding a small and efficient petrol engine to keep the battery charged - technology inappropriate in a sports car like the Tesla, but very relevant to more mainstream cars.

And your final point about you being the customer Tesla is aiming at. Well it sounds like you're not, but that doesn't mean no one else is. My Caterham that I've had for the past 8 years has only 14k miles on the clock. Take a look at the classifieds - you'll see many low volume sports cars advertised with similar low mileages, so plainly many owners aren't doing regular 220 mile Saturday morning drives. I couldn't afford a Tesla now, but in 5 or 10 years time when the technology is more mature? I might have a fuel cell powered  car, or a battery one, or a hybrid - who knows yet - but it's exciting finding out. I'd prefer it if we allowed the next generation of car technology to stand or fail on it's own merits, with the press reporting on it properly rather than using spin to try and bury it before it's even born.

The BBC will be telling us there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza next...

noluddite January 30, 2009 8:16 AM

Clarkson condemned the Ka for its poor lighting, and rightly so. Did Autocar miss this? Regarding the Tesla, I feel that JC has as much a prejudiced dislike for electric vehicles as he does for diesels, and this has influenced his judgement of the Tesla. Other vehicles have broken down on the show, or been shown to be severely deficient in some way, such as the GT40. And he bought one of those. Perhaps Tesla missed a trick in not offering him the opportunity to speculate on one...

freerunner January 30, 2009 9:08 AM

How cares everyone knows he's a well respected funny idiot that's going to say what even he thinks (like with hamsters cat in shrek 2 ears) and is always going to!

ordinary bloke January 30, 2009 9:40 AM

Let JC have his say, most of the people who read his columns or listen to "that" TV show know exactly what they are getting and react accordingly, I would certainly never base my judgement of any particular car or motoring issue based solely on JC's views. Perhaps we need more forthright views in Autocar road tests, I've lost count of the number of times I've read a road-test praising a car and then some years later when its replacement is announced read the throw-away comments like ".........of course the old model was never much good, with no steering feel and soggy handling........." or something similar.

230SL January 30, 2009 10:26 AM

Jeremy Clarkson is a celebrity.

The Colonel January 30, 2009 10:53 AM

Mr Trilby, you have a very curious way of avoiding points and pulling out strawman arguments.

"I don't think anyone is disputing that Top Gear is liked or entertaining"  Never said that anyone did???

"and who pays the licence fee is not the issue that Steve raised. "  Never said it was.  Point is, I don't think any UK broadcaster should editorialise for a market that leeches TV from the UK.  I was responding to a point made by Rachel Konrad, not Steve.

"The issue raised is the question of whether it's right for Jeremy Clarkson to promote his opinions and agenda in such a graphic and politicised way on a supposedly apolitical and unbiased channel. "

Well, no, it wasn't.  Well, not sure, because Steve didn't respond to my query first off, so you, I and a few others are assuming he was referring to TG, and if he was, then there was nothing about the Tesla feature that was not apolitical or biased...previously you seemed to suggest they were lying and misleading.  Again, I draw to your attention the editorial scrutiny they are under.  What Steve seems to suggest is, that if a car is offered up for test by an established, major manufacturer, it's OK to slag it off, as they are broad shouldered.  If a new to market, small manufacturer offers something up then it is not, because it might cause them problems.  I find this line of reasoning far more offensive than anything pushed out by TG or Clarkson.

"Incidentally they do help fund Top Gear because their networks have to buy the show from the BBC."

Of course, but viewers in the U.S. are not forced to pay for it, with the spectre of a criminal record if they do not.

"Electric cars? Do other cars not run out of fuel?"

Yes, of course they do, but that wasn't the point.  The point was, it's a sports car, with limited range, made worse by the very kind of driving one might seek from a sports car.  You kind of quoted me short there, you see.

"So why single the Tesla out?"

Because it was the car being featured on that programme?

OK, first things first, it was not a "Tesla vs fuel cell car" feature.  They were separate reports.  One was a test of a car, in production available for you to buy now.  As far as I recall, Clarkson was as enthused about the car where it excelled as he was disappointed about its shortcomings.

The Clarity, also featured on the programme, was not as far as I recal, a sports car.  Further it's not a car even in wide production, so it is unlikely that there is enough infrastructure in place for refuelling, or even, production of hydrogen.  It was a demonstration on something that appeals because of it's "on-the-go" running.

"They could have pointed out that hydrogen gradually leaks from the tank whilst stood, presenting an explosion risk if you have enough of them in an underground car park."

1)  Triple redundancy.  Do you really think Honda have not worked this one through?

2) Hydrogen is NOT explosive...even in underground car parks full of Claritys.  And in that regard it is safer than petrol as hydrogen is far more dispersive...it burns off quicker, with less heat meaning that temperature rises inside the car, in case of fuel fire, are minimised (something in the order of 1 to 2 degrees celsius above ambient).  Firefighters don't like it, as it is hard to see a pure hydrogen fire without special viewing equipment.

"It has more than a hint that the Tesla having undermined the popular notion of electric cars being slow"  

"Biblically fast" I think were the words Clarkson enthused with.

"And your final point about you being the customer Tesla is aiming at. Well it sounds like you're not,"

No, no.  Try again.  SHOULD be aiming at.  I like fast cars.  It falls within the budget that I would be prepared to pay for a car, but it would have to be a whole lot more, ummmm, special.  I'd rather have a diseasel R8.  In 5 to 10 years time, at a lower price?  Maybe, but I'd still need to have a good day out in it before the fun stops, and until then, I'll take views from all sources, not just Top Gear or Jeremy Clarkson, and balance my purchasing decisions on that, among other things.

max48 January 30, 2009 11:18 AM

The fact is that we tune in on Sunday at 8:00 to be entertained primarily and are intelligent enough to take Clarkson with a pinch of salt when he's being silly but the facts did speak for themselves, the car failed and he reported it as just that.

JC plainly expected more from the car and was disappointed and his criticism will hopefully push Tesla to improve.

The days of manufacturers getting the public to finnish developing a car are long gone and even one as crucial as the Tesla cannot avoid that.

We read Autocar for a more serious evaluation from serious motoring journalists who are not self opinionated or have become too big for the magazine but we do still want the warts and all reporting because if a car aint good enough

IT AINT GOOD ENOUGH!!!.

jerry99 January 30, 2009 11:24 AM

I thought what he actually said about the car was fair and much in line with other road tests.

But there was emphasis on reliability issues whilst they had the car, which he did say could easily be fixed. Given that this car is expensive I think that was worth noting.

The same sort of thing used to be said of Ferraris and that did not stop people buying them, although their sales have increased since they became useable everyday.

I am afraid that Tesla's real problem maybe that their bold business stratergy gets topedoed by the economic slump, whilst Detroit finally move in alternative technologies.

coolGav January 30, 2009 11:51 AM

The future that I envisage, for the normal full-time working adult, could only accept a hydrogen powered car if efficient home micro-generation was acceptable. MrTrilby has mentioned it - as hydrogen is a very small element, it leaks as it's smaller than the gaps in the container! So you can't leave the car standing for 2 weeks after filling before expecting to drive the full range - some of the fuel has disappeared! Filling it up every couple of days would be a real hassle compared to my current diesel car that has a range well over 700 miles per tank. Unless I can let it fill itself overnight at home. In which case why not have the energy stored only in capacitors or batteries?

JC writes on his experiences. Why not stage a TG "test" that involves cars with petrol hybrid, fuel cell and battery power. Each presenter takes a car (fuel tank full) and drives it home from Dunsfold, and then leaves the car until coming back the next week...

Leslie Brook January 30, 2009 11:55 AM

I think that people with the money to afford a Tesla are likely to be the successful and intelligent - not many idiotic failures walking around with £90,000 in their back pockets. These people tend to make their own decisions, not be lead by tabloid headlines, whether they appear in print or on the telly.

RobotBoogie January 30, 2009 12:03 PM

Leslie - you have much more faith in the country's rich people than almost anyone I have ever come across. If all rich people were that bright, I think we might have avoided a recession.

On a different note, I've met Clarkson a couple of times and he's an arrogant so and so. He has one schtick - the exaggerated metaphor - and is a whole grab bag of quite nasty Daily Mail style prejudices. However, he is in an almost unique position in the UK motoring media - he has no vested interests to satisfy when it comes to reviewing cars. Problem is that his ego and his own small-p political agenda tends to get in the way of this - hence the kicking often delivered to anything that is deemed to be either fashionable or with any kind of environmental credentials, whether they deserve it or not.

Plus, of course, you are dealing with a man to whom blowing up a caravan represents the highest watermark of humour.

midget January 30, 2009 12:18 PM

I would ask how a Lotus full of laptop batteries and a motor cost £120,000,000 to develop?

I think Clarkson was correct, the car handles well for a Lotus and power pack.

Reliability was on par with the electrical/electronic content. Shorter battery life than stated, who has ever used a phone/laptop with a life that reaches 70% of that quoted?

Never having driven the new KA, I think Clarkson was using his usual heavy handed way of stating his disappointment in a good but unspectacular product.

Peter Cavellini January 30, 2009 1:03 PM

The  world is going a bit PC just now, don't tarnish his appeal by likening him to Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross's tacky remarks, JC we all know is tongue in cheek with a bit of underlying seriousness and fact backed info,he knows he makes mistakes and somstimes doesn't apologise for some of them but hey he's entitled to his views too!. There are a lot worst things said on the news and few people complain about them, so leave the man alone and let us car people have a laug once a week!

Hurundi V Bakshi January 30, 2009 2:19 PM

Do I detect that someone is ever so slightly irritated by someone else's success ?

I must admit that I struggle to get excited by a Ford Ka and an electric car that runs out of juice very five minutes and then takes hours to charge up.

What a load of melodrama. Pathetic.

yeswecan January 30, 2009 2:21 PM

Clarkson does not like Motorcycles , most Diesels and bought a Ford GT which he could barely get into. We tend to forget that he does not live in the real world like the rest of us. As to the Tesla, if you spend 100k on a performance car and it broke down twice, would you be happy ?? As to the KA, the previous Fiesta was a dog yet it sold very well. Big car enthusiasts who read or watch TG or read his articles won't be too worried about the KA, its not on their shopping list.

I think Tesla is hoping some big car maker will buy them out (Porsche?) to get access to the tech. That allows them to offer a cheaper car and better quality control and bigger sales opportunities. Its going to happen.

motoloco January 30, 2009 2:45 PM

Clarkson is an automotive shock-jock and an occasional comic.  I wouldn't buy any car he recommends as he is not relevant to most people's decision-making process, but then again I drive an Audi, so I must be a c*ck.....

corsavan January 30, 2009 2:51 PM

I wouldn't decide what car to buy based upon the opinions of the TG presenters.  

I presume most people look elsewhere for reviews before deciding what car to purchase.  (Especially when you have the money to buy a Tesla!)

It does make me laugh how they are all 'anti diesel' on TG, yet there has been numerous times now when they have had to admit that they aren't so bad after all.  eg.  XJ diesel, A8 TDI, 330d 24 hour race...

ronmcdonald January 30, 2009 3:01 PM

A 2 seater $120,000 dollar car which the company sell for $90,000 and all this during a recession. And to add insult to injury, the two models that were given to Top Gear for testing broke down.

I'm sure we can acuse Clarkson of many thinks, but in truth it's Telsa digging their own grave.

ronmcdonald January 30, 2009 3:01 PM

A 2 seater $120,000 dollar car which the company sell for $90,000 and all this during a recession. And to add insult to injury, the two models that were given to Top Gear for testing broke down.

I'm sure we can accuse Clarkson of many thinks, but in truth it's Telsa digging their own grave.

jackjflash January 30, 2009 3:06 PM

I find Clarkson entertaining, but his automotive knowledge somewhat suspect. The electric car has been around in some form for a long time but has never been under the societal microscope as it is now. It is a fledgling technology that is as easy to club as baby seals. Yes the technology has its faults, but they are working on it and in time it will become less expensive and more reliable. As likely as Clarkson is to say something offensive and stupid and humorous in the near future, it’s just as likely that the electric car will replace petrol-diesel power transport some day in spite of Clarkson’s rants.

Iand666 January 30, 2009 11:23 PM

I can't believe how many posters believe (or at least pretend to 'believe') for the sake of argument that 'Jezza' has such sway over the populace. Do you believe 'them' to be so utterly gullible and in need of YOUR counsel that peering down upon their necks bent in supplication renders you omnipotent?

shomann January 31, 2009 3:17 PM

Clarkson used to rip Corvettes relentlessly (wrongly so) for years, until the ZR1 which he proclaimed "a masterpiece" and declared it his Car Of The Year for 2008 www.timesonline.co.uk/.../article5400290.ece%3Ftoken%3Dnull%26offset%3D0%26page%3D1&usg=ALkJrhiqDCNTPrmPXDPQ8McNj5Y3A45RzA

The Tesla was a ground breaking car when it arrived on the scene.  I'm sure he'll warm up to it in time.  I doubt that JC can make or break a car company on what he has to say.

chuckie_T February 1, 2009 2:15 AM

I think Clarkson is has done good.  He pointed out the good and bad in the car.  The negatives that Clarson pointed out should be seen as a opportunity for Telsa to listen and improve..  We all know deep down that battery cars that u keep on charging over night aint gonna cut it for 95% of UK drives... Why should people be Conned into buying something that is basically half a car.  Would u buy an battery powered Telsa Mr Steve Sutcliffe??? I dont think you would buy one based on the bad points Clarkson pointed out.

Only people that would even buy a Telsa is famous people that wanna be seen as doing there part of for a greener world (and there not )

As for the Ford KA.  See where Clarkson is coming from..  I think your a bit bitter towards him.  

chuckie_T February 1, 2009 2:16 AM

I mean Tesla.  LOL......  

chuckie_T February 1, 2009 2:24 AM

After reading other peoples comments, it seems that your wrong Steve Sutcliffe. Many people agree with Clarkson..  I personally think you should apologise to Jeremy Clarkson about your own comments.  Why don’t you write a apology in autocar mag….  

What happened to Chris Harris?? He was good. Everyone else seems a bit boring.  

Bluewater Monster February 1, 2009 2:48 AM

I love top gear....however before anything else i watch it as a comedy show and not as a motoring program which is why i slightly prefer fifth gear however depressing some people may find it, the truth is JC has an ability to demonstrate the good and positive points of a car in an over the top manner. I also think its clear that his heart isnt in the program anymore, and the show does seem far to scripted in the most recent series which is surely going to be its downfall sooner or later. As for the Tesla great idea! great car from what i have read, and in my opinion although i would miss a bellowing exhaust note it is a step in the right economic direction.

jammy_rex February 1, 2009 11:32 PM

Well I read Clarkson's KA article, and found it rather amusing, but his comments were valid!  Top Gear on the other hand, can be rather wearing at times.  I disagree with a lot of their comments, and their staged stories are getting a joke.  Also, the part of the Tesla feature where it was shown to have run out of juice was actually fake, which I find very irritating in hindsight (but, at least one of the Teslas did properly break down).  But the key is not to take it too seriously, and it has gone beyond the point where people take it seriously now, in the main - it is just light entertainment but not particularly factual.    

But, talking of "getting it wrong", I also struggle to take some of Steve Sutcliffe's comments seriously, ever since I read in his long term test of Megane R26 saying how fantastic the gearbox is!!!  Well, having driven one of these cars before, it has a comically loose, long throw and imprecise 'box, which contrives to ruin the experience, so how this can be classed as anything approaching good is something of a joke - an example of a fantastic manual 'box in a hot hatch is that of a Civic Type-R; short throw & rifle bolt precise.  A small point maybe, but one that sticks in the mind!  Then again, Autocar are certainly guilty of having their "favourites", so maybe this is a case of pot, kettle, black...

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