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May 08 2008

Methanol: round two

Richard Bremner

Last time I posted a story about the Trifuel Lotus Exige I found myself being accused of acting like some kind of motor industry propagandist for bio-fuels.

But, after talking through some of the comments I fielded with Lotus, I’ve come back to have another go at setting the record straight.

Methanol certainly isn’t a perfect fuel – but it is a viable CO2-neutral, non-fossil source of power. Short of shifting the entire motoring population to battery power, or waiting for the hydrogen economy to get started, it’s as good an alternative as any at present.

Lotus does accept there is a drawback with methanol’s more limited capacity to store energy. Even adjusting for its higher density than petrol, which is not the same, methanol can only store approximately 50% of the energy in a given tank volume than petrol. Therefore, if the use of a fossil fuel is not possible, Lotus reckons that society may need to accept the more frequent refuelling of vehicles.

Lotus also reckons that criticism of the safety of methanol can easily be countered, saying that the Environmental Protection Agency in the US has analysed methanol in some detail. Their modelling shows that if the US moved from gasoline to methanol as the primary fuel, then deaths, injuries and property damage would fall by 90-95 per cent This is because the flammability index of methanol is about the same as diesel, and if lit, a methanol fire will only radiate heat at the rate of 11 per cent that of gasoline.

So if methanol can be made safe, how efficient is it as a fuel? Here are some facts – rather than conjecture – from Lotus: methanol (and ethanol) both give better performance than gasoline – their octane ratings are considerably higher (so more boost and compression can be used), their latent heat of vaporization is higher (meaning they cool the air and so allow more charge mass to flow through the engine), a given mass of fuel and air contains more energy, they reject less heat to the engine structure during combustion and their flame speed is higher.

All of which leads Lotus to conclude that synthetic methanol is the closest easily-renewable fuel to what we have now and as such demands the smallest change to a fully renewable future.

And I wouldn’t disagree. Equally, I wouldn’t underestimate the scale of the conversion task either. But it’s a smaller task than converting the global car fleet to fuel cell vehicles.

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About Richard Bremner

Used to work for British Leyland; is now one of Autocar's most senior scribes. Despite having driven many vastly superior vehicles, he's currently hankering after a Triumph TR7.

Comments

JJBoxster May 9, 2008 1:28 AM

Richard,

You were not "accused of acting like a propogandist". You were questioned why you provided no detail or data to support your last articles generalised sentances. Perfectly reasonable cross-examination.

It was mentioned generalisations is a method of politco types hiding the greater truth but you were given the benefit of doubt and asked to fill out your articles support for methanol if you'd be so kind.

What is clear is that you didn't have the data 'to hand' to support your article and went back to Lotus to obtain better support for the first article.

This should have been ready to support your article but thanks for taking the time to do so.

Shows you listen to Autocar bloggers at least (can't say the same for a couple of other AC journos!) and one hopes the value of many brains cross-examining issues leads to better clarity and knowledge on issues... something the deaf and dumb in British government is desperatly lacking!

JJBoxster May 9, 2008 1:47 AM

So now to Round 2. Again it's a little short on data. There's 4 detail omissions in your 2nd article that need filling in ;

1. What is the cost per gallon of 'Synthetic Methanol' ?

2. What is Synthetic Methanol made from ?

3. What is the energy cost in making Methanol ?

NOTE. Petrol & Diesel gives 125,000 BTU of energy but only costs 22,000 BTU in energy to produce - namely a 6 fold Bang-Per-Buck. Methanol gives only 66,000 BTU so it would have to cost 12,000 BTU in energy consumed to provide a similar Bang-Per-Buck (ignoring it provides half the energy per gallon as petrol/diesel!).

You say "Here are some facts – rather than conjecture – from Lotus: methanol.. give better performance than gasoline". Yet you/Lotus also admit "..society may need to accept the more frequent refuelling of vehicles."

Petrol and Diesel both have twice the energy/power output of Methanol per gallon. So a car goes twice as far on fuel as methanol. It's one or the other so...

4. What DO you mean by "giving better performance" ?

JJBoxster May 9, 2008 2:45 AM

Etanol

Energy output - 76,000 BTUs per gallon

Energy to make - 98,000 BTUs per gallon

Richard "..Ethanol.. gives better performance than gasoline"

I've tried LSD but still can't see how!!

NiallOswald May 9, 2008 1:56 PM

You're being deliberately obtuse here, JJ. Methanol's higher octane rating and greater latent heat of vaporisation allows an engine of a given capacity to be run at higher compression ratio or boost pressure than on gasoline, thus generating more power.

More power = greater acceleration and higher top speed, all other factors being equal. These are the figures by which a car's performance is usually measured whether it runs on petrol, diesel, methanol, ethanol, LOX+Kerosene, AvGas, Nitromethane or whatever else you choose to propel your wheeled vehicle with.

I don't know about you, but I don't measure the performance of my car in BTUs/gallon of the fuel it runs on. That's a different (but valid) matter altogether. Richard is simply saying that the methanol-powered Exige is faster than the petrol-powered version - a simple concept, no?

JJBoxster May 9, 2008 3:10 PM

Not "Obtuse" I'm just no an engineer. Just explain "more power" to me?

Take a 1.2ltr Elise running on petrol versus a 1.2ltr Elise running on Synthetic Methanol. You go 250 miles for example on a tank of petrol or you go 125 miles on a tank of Syn Meths.

Even Lotus admit you get over 40% less oomph (energy) out of a tank of Methanol and have to fill up more often as a result of the lower energy value per gallon. How does that translate as "greater acceleration an more power" ?

edeath May 9, 2008 4:32 PM

Power and range are 2 very different things. Basically running a car on methanol is like running it on much higher octane petrol. This allows a vehicle to be tuned for more bhp. So on petrol a lotus exige is 240bhp, but on methanol it could be 280bhp. All this while having a lower range due to less BTU's per gallon.

edeath May 9, 2008 4:33 PM

Must point out those 2 BHP figures are purely arbitrary. I have no idea of the actual performance gain methanol gives.

NiallOswald May 9, 2008 6:22 PM

"More power" is simple - when running on methanol, the car's engine develops more power. Therefore it accelerates more quickly. "More power" just means you can convert stored chemical energy to kinetic energy more rapidly. The amount of energy stored in the tank is niether here or there.

The chemical properties of methanol mean that despite lower stored energy per unit volume, the product of this figure and the rate of use of the fuel is larger than for gasoline.

Diesel is the opposite - it contains more energy per unit volume but (until recently) it was not possible to extract that energy at as a high a rate as with petrol.

Samiur Rahman SHAH May 9, 2008 6:58 PM

A "perfect" mixture in case of petrol and air is 14.7 parts of air to one part of petrol. A "perfect" mixture in the case of methanol and air is 6.4 parts of air to one part of fuel.  

Thus for the same mass of air ingested, you have 2.3 times the fuel that can be burnt.

About 6 percent more power will be available in the mixture taking into account the lower heat value produced by methanol per kilogram.

This is not considering the higher boost pressure that can now be run due to increase in octane rating, increasing power further.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers!

Sami

theoriginalshoe May 10, 2008 12:24 PM

Richard, well done for not crawling under a rock and having the guts to take on this lot.  They're like dogs with bones and won't let you away with anything!!

JJBoxster May 10, 2008 3:56 PM

Thanks Guys, very helpful :-)

It took me nearly a year to get my head round the difference in output properties between bhp and torque. This may take me a few months to understand too!

Given Sammis post about air to fuel balance, is Methanol happy with forced induction of air (turbos and superchargers)?

The studies I've seen show methanol is a slower route to improved power and economy than either petrol or deisel. Given a 1.4 ltr engine say

Petrol - 120bhp - 95lb torque

Diesel - 105bhp - 130lb torque

Methanol - 140bhp ??? lb torque

So what torque figure does Meths' produce and can the engne performance we boosted in similar ways with Turbo and Super charging?

JJBoxster May 10, 2008 4:03 PM

Sorry that should read:

Petrol - 120bhp - 95lb torque - 30mpg

Diesel - 105bhp - 130lb torque - 35mpg

Methanol - 140bhp ??? lb torque - ???mpg

NB. I'm still waiting for Richards figures on £cost per gallon, BTU energy consumption in production compared to its lowly 66,000BTU output etc.  Where's he gone again?!!

NiallOswald May 11, 2008 8:09 PM

The Champ Car V8s were 2.65L, turbocharged and developing 800bhp (at unknown RPM) on Methanol.

Power and torque needn't be complicated. P=ωT is all there is to it.

How T varies with ω is where things get interesting...

JJBoxster May 14, 2008 2:11 AM

Big deal! Tyrell F1 cars were producing 1,000bhp back in the 70's and Renaults F1 4 cyclinder turbocharged units were pumping out 800bhp 20 years ago. This racing bhp is a red herring frankly.

C'mon Richard let's have these figures please!!

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